6 + 2 Point Deductions

Norlye said:
PSR/FFP is dead. It was only ever brought in as a way to “help” certain clubs stay at the top. It hasn’t worked as their has been as many clubs that it is designed to protect in trouble as the rest. It will quietly be binned. No main stream media, who want to stay on the PL gravy train can risk asking to many questions and probably don’t want to anyway.
It didn’t work.
We are now moving to a de facto European Super League so the main purpose of FFP is not required now. Man Utd will spend, without restriction, to get back to Europe and then the increased revenue from the CL tournament will do it’s the job of FFP. Make it a closed shop.
If I was Spuds I would be worried as they seemed to invite themselves to the SKY 6 party and I’m not sure anyone else will care if they get left behind.

PSR by definition must look to sanction a club that is making canteen workers and cleaners redundant but still lashing £100’sM on players. Not really a sustainable model as defined by the PL if I correctly remember the arguments they used against Everton. Risking the club etc etc.
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I think that FFP rules were brought in with the intention of clubs going bust down to the way Leeds were run. It was only when they got into trouble that the powers that be took any notice, while there have been plenty of teams that had got into financial trouble trying to compete in the PL before and ended up falling down the league. The problem with the FFP rules is that when a club is struggling on the field its revenue drops and leaves them short of cash, and when you start taking points off teams in that situation you end up increasing the clubs problems as it sends them further down the table and they end up in a relegation problem. Then you have the teams that were already making up a big 4, with the addition of Spurs and a cash rich City sticking two fingers up to the rules and if they aren`t finding ways around the rules they are just braking them on a massive scale.

The FFP instead of helping teams that get into financial trouble ending up going out of business, has seen those clubs battered by the powers that be on the way to going bust, and have also made a monster of the clubs at the top that can ignore the rules knowing that they can spend on top lawyers to find loop holes in the rules, or keep the FA or UEFA tied up in legal battles as they continue to ignore the rules.
 

In theory I would support a system that prevents clubs from financial distress due to irresponsible owners.

The current system though is anti-competitive and run in the interests of a cabal. You can be willing and able to invest but cannot.

There should be a transfer fee and wages cap applied on the same basis to all clubs.

The top clubs run the PL as a state within a state.
 

Blue Alert said:
Meanwhile, at Premier League HQ there’s an alarm, the sole purpose of which is to let Richard Masters know if any Everton employees buy Tesco Finest.
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What annoys me mate, is you see Utd, City, Chelsea - who had huge allowances made for them already drop in some cases close to 100 million in players.

Come June the 30th the likes of Wolves, Us, Villa, Forest and Newcastle will get a letter in the post if we move in an academy prospect for PSR.

The while point if PSR was to stop the likes of City just blowing everyone out if the water - how’s that going, two fingers up at the rules and bought 100s of millions in January and now again a few days into the summer window.

It’s not competitive sport anymore, it’s contrived and unjust, it’s turning into a TV production.
 
The thing about PSR (and any substitute) is that the rules are brought in by a majority of owners. I believe that there's a cabal - but it has been formed with a nudge and a wink from the rest of the clubs, who are doubtless relieved that the fans won't be pressuring fthem to put in extra investment.
 
Without doom-mongering, it's very sobering to see City and Utd spend so freely and in amounts which will probably exceed the total we'll spend in our "brand new start"

Thought this before, but even if it's £100m that's less than what Chelsea spent in Abramovich's first season in 2003, a generation ago.

These super clubs can drop that money in a week and barely think about it. We have to make it stretch to 6 or 8 players if we have it at all.
 
Chelsea are another one taking the piss. They have admitted to making secret payments during the abramovich era. An illegal advantage used to win silverware, for a long period of time.
Last time I checked, Chelsea were hoping to reach a financial settlement with the premier league!
They should at the very least be getting a massive points deduction, and at worst stripped of titles.
 

Within the next decade I can’t see the cabal remaining in the PL. some form of “super league” will start with owners wanting predictable revenue.

Just gotta wait it out.
 
GoldenToffee said:
It genuinely is an outrage that Manchester City are yet again being given another transfer window to cement their future and reduce the severity of any kind of punishment they might receive for these charges.

They were allowed to cheat, allegedly, for over a decade, going from Premier League nobodies owned by a crooked Thai politician in 2008, to having the Abu Dhabi royal family take them over in 2009, immediately splash £32 million on Robinho--who didn't even know Manchester City existed--and then fake sponsorship deals which allowed them to spend over a billion and a half in the 15 years that have followed.

Their wealth has enabled them to not only escape punishment, but to future-proof any potential relegations or European bans by building a huge network of clubs they can take talent from ranging from clubs in South American, Spain, USA and Australia, to create a world class football academy that has soaked up all of the local talent, and to pay salaries far in excess of what their income should enable them to spend had they have acted according to the rules.

Let's look at some potential punishments...
  • If they're kicked out of the Premier League, the Championship will no doubt (even if they're not obligated to) make room for them. They'd keep their entire squad and be challenging to win the Premier League again within two-three seasons.
  • If they're given a multi-year transfer ban who cares? Their squad is enormous and they'd easily be qualifying for Champions League regardless.
  • If they're fined hundreds of millions it does not matter one jot as the Abu Dhabi royal family make that money back in a day.
The only suitable punishment, in my opinion, would be expulsion from the Premier League and a ban from gaining promotion back to the Premier League for the duration that their cheating occurred and they stove off punishment via their own crooked legal threats - so about a decade and a half.

That way, although they would be able to qualify for the Europa League via winning a domestic cup, and the Champions League a season later if they could win the Europa League, the odds of them remaining a modern giant of a club would be massively reduced. Yes they'd win any league they ended up in, but they'd not be allowed back into the Premier League, their players would want to leave or stay and drain them of tens of millions a year under no obligation to leave, and they'd truly be punished for their wrongdoings.

I personally think even a 15-year ban from the Premier League is pretty light for what they've got away with, especially when you consider Everton were almost relegated simply for spending 20 million 'too much' on trying to build a stadium that would, in some small way, start to slowly bridge the gap between us and the new big clubs, including cheating Manchester City. Look at the silverware they've won via cheating - I think 25 years wouldn't be too big of a ban.

... but we all know they're getting away with it all.
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Meanwhile Liverpool win a stack of titles... We all know the worst punishment they get will be a fine, and we'll all say "remember when the commission told us that there is no point in financial punishment as the owners are very wealthy", and then we wont hear anything more about it.
 
Neiler said:
What annoys me mate, is you see Utd, City, Chelsea - who had huge allowances made for them already drop in some cases close to 100 million in players.

Come June the 30th the likes of Wolves, Us, Villa, Forest and Newcastle will get a letter in the post if we move in an academy prospect for PSR.

The while point if PSR was to stop the likes of City just blowing everyone out if the water - how’s that going, two fingers up at the rules and bought 100s of millions in January and now again a few days into the summer window.

It’s not competitive sport anymore, it’s contrived and unjust, it’s turning into a TV production.
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I don't think that was ever the point
It pulled the ladder up and they knew it
 

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