2024/25 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[BlueInNZ]

Oops, regretting I popped into this thread as part of my nightly read.

 

[Timbucktoo]

I don't know if its me being a bit old school or what. But it feels like he is looking for justification and acceptance, when he should be more assured of what he's actually achieved.
He's a Premeir League footballer, whos played for England, and from what i hear from ex acadamy people at Sheff Utd, he's worked extrememly hard to get there. He should be proud of that, he should be enjoying this part of his career.

Its your grief tourists that play on this kind of stuff and make him think that this is what he should be doing to receive acceptance

I think the big problem in football is that young lads are getting too much reward too soon in life. When you`re young and land at a PL club, score a goal in a U20 world cup final, start getting PL football by the time you`re 21, you are still having fun and making big money, all seems well. But move on a couple of years and you`re mid 20`s you start to feel the pressure to stay match fit, score more goals, help your team win trophies to justify the big money you`re getting every week. Young lads are n`t being prepared for when the fun of playing football stops and the pressure to perform to a high level kicks in. Agents don`t help as they are only interested in here the biggest pile of cash is rather than what is best for their players life.

 

[Raino85]

Anyway Dom...........................averages 1 in 4, could prob do with a bit better couldn't we.

 

[Raino85]

Depends on the person and the particular type of cancer and yes mental strength is a real thing.

Of course mental power will not rid someone of cancer however positivity does go a long way.

And yes before anyone asks I have several medical qualifications and deal with chemotherapy for cancer treatment on a weekly basis so don’t pull any funny stuff.

Back to topic please anyway.

Agreed

 

[Toffeepot]

Chris Wood

All very white knight in here

He did well enough
Didn't have the same level of injuries either though

Not really white knight, just jumping on your amateur hour psychological profiling of Dom, claiming you know what mentality is needed to survive(caring less) but then claiming that others who cared a lot and survived is only because of different personalities. You are also basing this on Dom opening up about the challenges and pressure he felt under.
The fact is we don't know what it takes to survive at this level because we aren't in it. Dom's had a bad few seasons, that could easily change. Plenty on here still see the guy has something about him and circumstances haven't helped.

I think if he stays he contributes well under Moyes and if he goes somewhere else he gets back on track too.
By all accounts it's still up to him to stay or not, so he's got the surviving thing down really

 

[Raino85]

I think the big problem in football is that young lads are getting too much reward too soon in life. When you`re young and land at a PL club, score a goal in a U20 world cup final, start getting PL football by the time you`re 21, you are still having fun and making big money, all seems well. But move on a couple of years and you`re mid 20`s you start to feel the pressure to stay match fit, score more goals, help your team win trophies to justify the big money you`re getting every week. Young lads are n`t being prepared for when the fun of playing football stops and the pressure to perform to a high level kicks in. Agents don`t help as they are only interested in here the biggest pile of cash is rather than what is best for their players life.

You see it so much in youth football.

Kids basically getting footballs put in there cots by parents, 'elite one on one training sessions' (providing the parents can afford it, academy's holding 60-80 kids in each age group.
You see a lot more kids coming through now who's fathers have been in the game at the highest level,

 

[Raino85]

He did well enough
Didn't have the same level of injuries either though

Not really white knight, just jumping on your amateur hour psychological profiling of Dom, claiming you know what mentality is needed to survive(caring less) but then claiming that others who cared a lot and survived is only because of different personalities. You are also basing this on Dom opening up about the challenges and pressure he felt under.
The fact is we don't know what it takes to survive at this level because we aren't in it. Dom's had a bad few seasons, that could easily change. Plenty on here still see the guy has something about him and circumstances haven't helped.

I think if he stays he contributes well under Moyes and if he goes somewhere else he gets back on track too.
By all accounts it's still up to him to stay or not, so he's got the surviving thing down really

Not that deep mate

 

[Blue Parkender]

Depends on the person and the particular type of cancer and yes mental strength is a real thing.

Of course mental power will not rid someone of cancer however positivity does go a long way.

And yes before anyone asks I have several medical qualifications and deal with chemotherapy for cancer treatment on a weekly basis so don’t pull any funny stuff.

Back to topic please anyway.

As a cancer patient myself ( terminal bone cancer spread from prostrate) being positive is a big thing I was told in December 2020 I had 12 to 18 months to live. But I've had that new ground to aim for, and the fact that I paid £3,000 for a corporate seat. So anyone in the same boat keep positive remember your not dying of cancer your living with it. See you all at Bramley Moore

 

[wandyr79]

No, having mind that is free from mental health problems....unfortunately is what clubs want and need at this level of football.
Mental strength is not a real thing, mental health is.

I fear you hear the term 'mental health' and lap it up. Sugar coat it and actually are a crutch for it, when it needs discussing PROPERLY, by professionals and not by an F1 commentator, a footballer or the CEO of HUEL.

Everybody's mental health journey is different and for you to box it into a singular is incorrect.

Its like when people say 'you can fight cancer' you cant! You can get lucky or unlucky, you have no control of it.

I sort understand your point here but do disagree with it. I do think that previous posts were badly worded, if this is what you meant. This is maybe why you feel that people have gone after the posts and your opinion on this. Maybe I am misreading it all?

For me, it doesn't matter the method, if people hear what the likes of Calvert-Lewin are saying and feel that they have similar thoughts, then go and get the help that they would not have necessarily gotten, then it is a win. Could not care less who they were talking with in the interview, it is the message that counts in this scenario. In modern society the best way to get your message across is through these platforms.

It may not be about 'discussing' it, in that form. I am sure that he is discussing it in a private manner, to the people that can truly help him. These platforms are designed to be used so the possibility of catching somebody who might be suffering, with no visible support structure, can feel that they are not alone and look to get their own form of help.

I will add that I deal with mental health every day. My wife suffers from severe depression and anxiety and I can easily use the word 'fight'. Because that is what it is, it is a struggle, it is a fight to keep her on track sometimes. More recently there have been some very dark days and it has been a struggle to get her out of the house, just for a walk. It is a battle, it is a fight, it is a struggle, these are valid words to explain what goes on in somebodies mind when they are going through what they are going through.

 

[Toffeepot]

Not that deep mate

What you've said though nonetheless

Couple that with your 'old school' and 'grief tourists' comments and it all just betrays a bias against men opening up about mental health issues.
The majority of Everton fans were bemoaning his absence at a time we needed him and the club was at real risk of going down. He felt the weight of responsibility (staff jobs etc) and ultimately he delivered that Palace goal right?

You would have him forget about all that and pat himself on the back for working hard at Sheff Utd.
I prefer that he cared about the club and its staff. I'm glad he got that goal for us. I would prefer if he never had that stress and we were further up the table(which we will be soon) but he did and I'm glad he cared tbh

Anyway lets agree to disagree

 

[Raino85]

I sort understand your point here but do disagree with it. I do think that previous posts were badly worded, if this is what you meant. This is maybe why you feel that people have gone after the posts and your opinion on this. Maybe I am misreading it all?

For me, it doesn't matter the method, if people hear what the likes of Calvert-Lewin are saying and feel that they have similar thoughts, then go and get the help that they would not have necessarily gotten, then it is a win. Could not care less who they were talking with in the interview, it is the message that counts in this scenario. In modern society the best way to get your message across is through these platforms.

It may not be about 'discussing' it, in that form. I am sure that he is discussing it in a private manner, to the people that can truly help him. These platforms are designed to be used so the possibility of catching somebody who might be suffering, with no visible support structure, can feel that they are not alone and look to get their own form of help.

I will add that I deal with mental health every day. My wife suffers from severe depression and anxiety and I can easily use the word 'fight'. Because that is what it is, it is a struggle, it is a fight to keep her on track sometimes. More recently there have been some very dark days and it has been a struggle to get her out of the house, just for a walk. It is a battle, it is a fight, it is a struggle, these are valid words to explain what goes on in somebodies mind when they are going through what they are going through.

Thank you for understanding mate.

Perfectly happy for you to disagree, that's the beauty of the human brain.

And the above post is a great post and a good insight of these things everyone goes through, its dependent on the person on how they look at it, there is no right or wrong
I hope your wife is getting the right support she needs and you seem like you are doing an excellent job supporting her.
You can't understand what she is feeling but you can support

 

[Tigger]

As a cancer patient myself ( terminal bone cancer spread from prostrate) being positive is a big thing I was told in December 2020 I had 12 to 18 months to live. But I've had that new ground to aim for, and the fact that I paid £3,000 for a corporate seat. So anyone in the same boat keep positive remember your not dying of cancer your living with it. See you all at Bramley Moore

Sorry to hear that mate, enjoy that seat

 

[Blue Parkender]

Sorry to hear that mate, enjoy that seat

Thank you I intend to.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

As a cancer patient myself ( terminal bone cancer spread from prostrate) being positive is a big thing I was told in December 2020 I had 12 to 18 months to live. But I've had that new ground to aim for, and the fact that I paid £3,000 for a corporate seat. So anyone in the same boat keep positive remember your not dying of cancer your living with it. See you all at Bramley Moore

Love that positive mindset, how inspiring. I could only wish to be as strong as that.

 

[Groucho]

As a cancer patient myself ( terminal bone cancer spread from prostrate) being positive is a big thing I was told in December 2020 I had 12 to 18 months to live. But I've had that new ground to aim for, and the fact that I paid £3,000 for a corporate seat. So anyone in the same boat keep positive remember your not dying of cancer your living with it. See you all at Bramley Moore

Well in mate