Got to say last night was fun. What time are we reconvening for another round?
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Imho anything we do the stadium to build upwards on the East/West would need a re-roof as you hit the lattice work for the barrel:
North and South are a bit different, but due to the individual pieces of glass it's not something that can be chucked on quickly and in the North's case we'd need to buy some of the land off of UU.
That leads me to think that the 62k was a lofty safe standing calculation.
Of course if we are talking money no object, we have a huge amount of space to put another tier above the East. Although the rake angle would need to be pushing regs.
balggy
Player Valuation: £6m
Dan Meis did an interview with a View from the Bullens back in March.
He was asked about expanding the capacity.
Regarding “safe standing” he didn’t seem too enthusiastic about this, as the concourse would remain the same size. The concourses are designed for 53,000 and if you bump up capacity through safe standing, that will just ruin the experience.
When pushed he seemed to say that you could possibly expand the north stand, but that would involve negotiations on the stadium boundaries.
Don’t know if anyone else listened to the same interview.
He was asked about expanding the capacity.
Regarding “safe standing” he didn’t seem too enthusiastic about this, as the concourse would remain the same size. The concourses are designed for 53,000 and if you bump up capacity through safe standing, that will just ruin the experience.
When pushed he seemed to say that you could possibly expand the north stand, but that would involve negotiations on the stadium boundaries.
Don’t know if anyone else listened to the same interview.
nah, build back into the lattice structure and we can have some restricted views for those who want a bit of goodison retro nostalgia
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Surely we are at least a decade away from a consideration of expanding capacity.
It probably should have been built bigger but at the time, it might then not have been done at all.
We've been waiting fully 25 years for this and it's done, it looks terrific, and we should enjoy it.
It probably should have been built bigger but at the time, it might then not have been done at all.
We've been waiting fully 25 years for this and it's done, it looks terrific, and we should enjoy it.
West Side Charlie
Player Valuation: £5m
Don't know buddy, my wife won't even let me hang a picture frame so I've no clue here.I saw an interview with Dan Meis, and to me, it sounded like the way he described the building of the structure, it shouldn't be too hard to add tiers, or to even completely adjust parts of the stadium.
Lol, I'm no architect, but that's what it sounded like.
Makis
Player Valuation: £6m
Anyone who thinks we should have built a bigger stadium: why?
If you think it has something to do with money, nope. There is no financial point in adding another 10k until most of the people in the stadium are overseas fans like at that s**thole across the park. They spend more money on average per match can locals. Ticket sales alone wouldn't really increase profits.
If you think it has something to do with money, nope. There is no financial point in adding another 10k until most of the people in the stadium are overseas fans like at that s**thole across the park. They spend more money on average per match can locals. Ticket sales alone wouldn't really increase profits.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
Probably because the idea we can compete without more overseas fans taking up seats is for the birds.
We already subsidise our season ticket holders. If the Friedkins are serious and genuinely competent, we will need these extra seats for overseas fans quite soon...
I'll enjoy the stadium for now. But if we are to become a truly competitve club, it will be too small pretty quickly.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £15m
I think it's a slightly more complex question than have they optimised the total capacity or not. It might also be about how future-proofed the design and site are for any expansion.
The club made a big issue about problems that they had in modelling access/egress and circulation at the current capacity. That might have been to shut those questions up at the time..... but it only raises further questions. This includes the whole transport issue, which is still up in the air.
The key signature design feature is the barrel roof. Will that be detrimentally compromised by just expanding one side stand, or even both? Is it likely, given the height constraints at planning, not to mention the problems of building behind and above as Liverpool have done, but with the barrel roof cantilever back-ties/cladding, back-of-house structures, external podium and water channel all now in place. Construction through existing buildings cabe very expensive if not built into those structures.
The cost:benefit ratio and ROI calcs would probably really need to be backed by a major improvement in success on the pitch and growth in fanbase. Hopefully 53k is sufficient to provide the stepping stone.
The club made a big issue about problems that they had in modelling access/egress and circulation at the current capacity. That might have been to shut those questions up at the time..... but it only raises further questions. This includes the whole transport issue, which is still up in the air.
The key signature design feature is the barrel roof. Will that be detrimentally compromised by just expanding one side stand, or even both? Is it likely, given the height constraints at planning, not to mention the problems of building behind and above as Liverpool have done, but with the barrel roof cantilever back-ties/cladding, back-of-house structures, external podium and water channel all now in place. Construction through existing buildings cabe very expensive if not built into those structures.
The cost:benefit ratio and ROI calcs would probably really need to be backed by a major improvement in success on the pitch and growth in fanbase. Hopefully 53k is sufficient to provide the stepping stone.
charlie atkins
Player Valuation: £8m
i thought the height was governed by the world heritage, are we not out of that now
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
Considering they pulled UNESCO status, I don't think that'll be much of a consideration now.
Bluesnapper
Player Valuation: £10m
To increase what we have at BMD to what is bandied around on here, 52k to 62k, is an increase of around 20%.
So what is the purpose behind the increase?
If it's for revenue all TFG need to do is increase ticket prices by 20% then the same effect is reached with no expenditure.
However they first need to know if 52k can easily be filled match in, match out, season in, season out.
So what is the purpose behind the increase?
If it's for revenue all TFG need to do is increase ticket prices by 20% then the same effect is reached with no expenditure.
However they first need to know if 52k can easily be filled match in, match out, season in, season out.
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