New Everton Stadium

Jacko93 said:
Manipulation of our fanbase? Give over Dave, your shouting at clouds. There is a point, as with anything, that somebody says something for the first time. It has allowed people to articulate their fondness for the ground. Let them. Its hardly offensive is it.
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Mr Testicles had a first time too...
 

davek said:
Mr Testicles had a first time too...
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Well yes, as does everything, but Im not entirely sure what your point is.

Somebody described Goodison Park as the 'Grand Old Lady', probably taking a lead from the 'Grand Old Team' moniker that you dont seem to have an issue with, and people have found an affinity with that and use it themselves. I just dont see where your issue is. If you don't like it, dont use it. If the business has made a mistake with the name of their business to the point where people avoid it, they'll change it.
 
Blue Alert said:
Bloody hell everyone is thinking too hard about this.

Let’s just call it ‘NEW PLACE TO DRINK BUT TO BE CLEAR THIS NAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOODISON, OR ANYTHING, AT ALL, AND IS ORGANIC TO THE FANS (OR NOT, DEPENDING UPON YOUR PREFERENCE). JUST SPEND MONEY HERE, PLEASE. KTHXBYE.”

Nobody could be offended by that.
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You'd be surprised
 
Blue Alert said:
Bloody hell everyone is thinking too hard about this.

Let’s just call it ‘NEW PLACE TO DRINK BUT TO BE CLEAR THIS NAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOODISON, OR ANYTHING, AT ALL, AND IS ORGANIC TO THE FANS (OR NOT, DEPENDING UPON YOUR PREFERENCE). JUST SPEND MONEY HERE, PLEASE. KTHXBYE.”

Nobody could be offended by that.
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Subtitled "Its not really even an Everton pub, its just here cause there was space going, I've named it after me Nan"
 
Blue Alert said:
Bloody hell everyone is thinking too hard about this.

Let’s just call it ‘NEW PLACE TO DRINK BUT TO BE CLEAR THIS NAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOODISON, OR ANYTHING, AT ALL, AND IS ORGANIC TO THE FANS (OR NOT, DEPENDING UPON YOUR PREFERENCE). JUST SPEND MONEY HERE, PLEASE. KTHXBYE.”

Nobody could be offended by that.
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Either that or Dave is just playing his character and everyone is acting like he's being totally serious. Again.
 

You can't really call anything a "grand old lady".... until it is indeed old. It was always Grand in comparison to all of its contemporaries. The Oldness only becoming more apparent and pronounced as all around us modernised, or moved. So it was hardly a huge leap of descriptive authorship to christen it the Grand Old Lady.... a term of endearment often used to describe a building (or ship) of historical significance. No-one can deny that GP certainly satisfied the basic criteria.
 
davek said:
'The Old Lady' was created by an Echo hack just a few short years ago and now - largely because of the move away from Goodison - it's been amplified a million times to create tradition that was never there. it's not organic to us.

I for one resent that sort of manipulation of our fan base.

It's a relatively new and artificial identity construct. It should be in the bin never mind dragging the insult with us to our BRAND NEW STADIUM.
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Not that it matters one iota, but . . .
as far as I can see the name "Grand old Lady" was first used in reference to Goodison Park in the 90s in 'The Independent'
 
davek said:
'The Old Lady' was created by an Echo hack just a few short years ago and now - largely because of the move away from Goodison - it's been amplified a million times to create tradition that was never there. it's not organic to us.

I for one resent that sort of manipulation of our fan base.

It's a relatively new and artificial identity construct. It should be in the bin never mind dragging the insult with us to our BRAND NEW STADIUM.
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I know you're no spring chicken Dave, and in many ways it does feel like a " few short years ago," the reality is though; it was over a quarter of a century ago. There will be lads and lasses round about the age of 30 who have no recollection of when it wasn't referred to as the grand old lady.
 
Tom Hughes said:
You can't really call anything a "grand old lady".... until it is indeed old. It was always Grand in comparison to all of its contemporaries. The Oldness only becoming more apparent and pronounced as all around us modernised, or moved. So it was hardly a huge leap of descriptive authorship to christen it the Grand Old Lady.... a term of endearment often used to describe a building (or ship) of historical significance. No-one can deny that GP certainly satisfied the basic criteria.
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I wasn't aware of that. Can you give some specific examples?

After a brief search I can only come across HMS Warspite, which was dubbed the Grand Old Lady.

Hardly used "often" therefore...
 

davek said:
'The Old Lady' was created by an Echo hack just a few short years ago and now - largely because of the move away from Goodison - it's been amplified a million times to create tradition that was never there. it's not organic to us.

I for one resent that sort of manipulation of our fan base.

It's a relatively new and artificial identity construct. It should be in the bin never mind dragging the insult with us to our BRAND NEW STADIUM.
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It must be tiring imagining enemies around every corner
 
John from Bootle said:
I know you're no spring chicken Dave, and in many ways it does feel like a " few short years ago," the reality is though; it was over a quarter of a century ago. There will be lads and lasses round about the age of 30 who have no recollection of when it wasn't referred to as the grand old lady.
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No chance that term had wide currency among Evcertonians even 3 or 4 years ago. I cant ever remember someone saying they're "going down the Grand Old Lady". Going to Goodison, yes. Going the match/game, yes. Going down/to the Grand Old Lady - no.

It's a commercial-media construct that plays into a lot of narratives around the club's long standing role in English football. It was a journalist playing up toward an Evertonnian conceit.
 
Jacko93 said:
Well yes, as does everything, but Im not entirely sure what your point is.

Somebody described Goodison Park as the 'Grand Old Lady', probably taking a lead from the 'Grand Old Team' moniker that you dont seem to have an issue with, and people have found an affinity with that and use it themselves. I just dont see where your issue is. If you don't like it, dont use it. If the business has made a mistake with the name of their business to the point where people avoid it, they'll change it.
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Grand Old Team has gravitas - and has long-standing associations with this community in particular. The song was sung and used by Liverpool school kids years ago. It's well documented that St Anthony's (Scotland Road) school team for one adopted the song and it no doubt attracted other admirers.

It's a legacy song and therefore has credibility among scouse club fans.

The Grand Old Lady is an appendage stuck unconvincingly on the side of our identity/culture as a club by an ingratiating journalist. It's alien.
 

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