FTY
Player Valuation: £80m
I'd have bet my whole bank balance that he was there for like a year, 18 months tops
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People said the same about contract with Allardyce, but he was never staying. Silva was always coming in. He knew it, the club knew it, but he got the contract he did.
Contracts can have clauses, he could move on to another role with the club like Ranieri is meant to be at Roma, or whatever.
My point is around the idea someone deserves to be Everton manager based on a handful of games.
He's either the right man, or he isn't. You don't decide that based on a few games.
If TFG bought Everton last summer, they'd have legged Dyche and rightly so. Whether he deserved another go or not.
Your last sentence about the wrong message - I disagree. TFG shouldn't care about any fan perception - dont let the tail wag the dog.
NSNO1878EFC
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I honestly think TFG will keep him after what he’s done this season, zero chance he’ll be going anywhere. The club is probably the most stable it’s been for years at the moment, I think they’ll want to keep it that way for this summer coming up. As you said, it’s a massive summer and all focus needs to be on getting the right players in as without the right players, nobody will succeed. When I said the wrong message, I meant it sends a bad message to other managers (and even potential new players). Do an unbelievable job here at Everton? Doesn’t matter, you could still get the sack after 6 months.
I don't disagree, it's just the mentality around deserving, or caring about how things could look.
If TFG come in last summer, are you saying keep Dyche? He'd done an unbelievable job here until last summer, but under new owners with capacity to spend - I wouldn't.
Bryan+
Player Valuation: £40m
Eh, they have appointed two fan favourites so they literally have let that happen though.
It's why I said shouldn't, not wouldn't.
It's a worry I have with them - too worried about perception. The briefings around Dyche's exit was bizarre.
They had someone they wanted/lined up for the summer, let's say, Thomas Frank - if that's changed based on a handful of games and concerns around how it would look - then that will give us insight into how they operate.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
They were indeed, I can't remember anything like it, although, some of how Dyche had conducted himself in the run up plays part in the eventual overspill.
They'd have sacked Dyche day one, and had Moyes in before the day was out if they felt a few months back that Moyes was the right man long term.
Blast_of_Cannock
Player Valuation: £20m
I heard a rumour about Madrid wanting Dyche...
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
I reckon we had a player mutiny like under martinez and lampard, Dyche going to the media about 'players not doing as they were told' and then the leak about 'he'd taken em as far as he could'. I also reckon it wasn't just the playing staff, I believe support staff and interested legacy parties will have had their tuppence heard. Last summer it was in Moshiri's hands, he operated on a budget and it was all hands on deck for the stadium and the club sale, he didn't have the inclination for even more upheaval so Dyche carried on. TFG step in, histrionics from Dyche and a known and respected quantity available so they took the plunge.
For a first major decision, it's panned out nice. Moyes gets jettisoned this summer sends what message out to potential managers? Contracts at Everton mean nothing? allardyce wanted money, he can cry all he likes about a fair crack, he signed tosun and walcott.
Moyes has allies in the club, not least Baines and Coleman. The instantaneous improved style of play shows the potential the squad had and was waiting to unleash.
This is all true. Moyes is not there number one choice, just a stop gap.
NSNO1878EFC
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I agree with that but now that Moyes has done the job he has done and the contract is not up, I don’t think they’ll feel that a change is needed now. If we get the players in over the summer and Moyes starts struggling next season, that will be a different scenario.
Yeah right; talking of baldies I still maintain when they came for baddie Tommy Grav they actually got him mixed up with baldie Carsley.
When he got there Gravensen himself said he couldn't understand why they then wanted to play DM, aka, The Carsley role...
Si, Si, senor Bill, we buy El Baldie
I think the club shouldn't be restricted to making a change only when you have to/forced into it. They should be making proactive changes to ensure we're as good as we can be.
Your saying there if we struggle next season, different scenario - in other words, sack him if we're struggling a few months in. Why? Is Moyes any different in October-December, than the one we've known for 20+ years?
The rebuild on at this club this summer is incredible, and the new stadium gives us an opportunity to really put a lightning bolt through the club.
Whoever is manager this summer, should be manager for 3-5 years.
NSNO1878EFC
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I think there are lots of things to do in the summer and changing managers isn’t (and almost certainly won’t be) one of them.
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