Pat Van Den Hauwe or Leighton Baines

[Drico]

Never mind or Van Den Hauwe, I'd rather have Paul Power or Bailey than Baines.

Winners.

Paul Power was a tremendous player.

 

[roy vernon]

Never mind or Van Den Hauwe, I'd rather have Paul Power or Bailey than Baines.

Winners.

Of course you would Dave

 

[PhilM]

Paul Power was a tremendous player.

I had a chat with him last Saturday outside St Luke’s.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Of course the great players of today would be great in the past. But they wouldn't be as cleanly successful as they are today - simply because they would be kicked from pillar to post. But they would adapt. They would likely spend a sizeable amount of their careers on the treatment table and they would be man-marked in most games, as was the custom of the time (under the old rules). But we'd still see the flashes of brilliance and a Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo in the 80s would, no doubt, invent new ways to make an impact.

Talent is talent.

The old days weren't always the best - and the current years suffer from recency bias. But you'll always know a great player when you see one, whatever the era.

But in the original statement you mentioned "current advancements", so if we hadn't gotten those and the mindset was still "kick lumps out of everyone" then Messi and Ronaldos and all that would be prepared for that and thrive again on talent alone, so they would likely be as successful.

And we can pretend that same said players don't get kicked around even nowadays - teams found the only way to stop either is to proper rough them up; Atletico/Simeone made a winning tactic out of kicking seven shades of crap out of both for the better part of a decade It's just funny that nowadays every young player is labeled like this. There's literal video evidence of everyone's idols being primadonnas in their own time too and doing the literal same tricks players nowadays use, as well as the same equivalents for the current generational best, but "back then those were dead 'ard"

You've been blessed in a way to watch the older generation of "the best", I've not, but it's a bit weird to always play down the younger generation because "back in my day", as that is about as childish as "PESSI VS PENALDO" comment chains.

 

[edge]

….that’s the point, he wasn’t a dirty player because he didn’t have to be. Terrific athlete, I don’t remember him regularly having to go to ground to dispossess an opponent. He was clearly a bit nuts, slept with his eyes open etc, but as far as football goes he wasn’t a liability.

Think people that didn't see him think he was a bit like vinnie jones or something , yes he had an edge to his game, but he could play the game ,
VERY Good a player, made the game look easy, fast good positioning ect, loved watching him.
PEJIC was another I thought was good as well.

 

[Gilbert..]

Think people that didn't see him think he was a bit like vinnie jones or something , yes he had an edge to his game, but he could play the game ,
VERY Good a player, made the game look easy, fast good positioning ect, loved watching him.
PEJIC was another I thought was good as well.

Will be an unpopular opinion but none of the back four of Everton were that silky. Including Van den Hauwe. He was possibly the best footballer in the defence. As a unit they all clicked for a few years under a manager who had them believing they were winners. Ratcliffes pace often got him out of trouble to account for his lack of technique. Degsy was a bruiser and frustrated centre forward. Gary Stevens was a fantastic athlete. Individually you wouldnt have said any of them were brilliant. As a collective. Kendall made them.
Helped aswell when you had the best keeper in the world behind them.

 

[pedro789]

Different types of full back.
But for footballing ability Baines was a better player.

 

[Somerset Blue]

Baines was better over a longer period.

 

[Leylo]

Paul Power was a tremendous player.

Really was but could remember his legs went it was like he was running in mud every game

 

[Leylo]

Slightly off subject but always remember my mate was playing for the youth team at bellfied against Blackpool it was lashing down freezing January and went to watch him pat and Kevin Radcliffe sent down teas for me and my mate nice touch always remember ..my mate made it elsewhere not gonna name him but It was proper boss touch ...best left back ever imo

 

[Drico]

Really was but could remember his legs went it was like he was running in mud every game

We only got him at the end. He is still lauded as a City legend, so that tells you the kind of player he was at his peak. I remember him as the City captain in the 1981 FA Cup final. At that point of his career, he was very highly regarded.

 

[davek]

Ha Ha Ha.

82% saying Baines.

Obviously never watched the 80s glory days.

A generational vote beyond doubt.

 

[TonyT65]

Watched them both lots of times ...
What I would say is Baines would have weakened the PVH team... and PVH would have weakened the Baines team.
The difference in the game over just 20yrs.
....think I'll just fence sit

 

[TonyT65]

Watched them both lots of times ...
What I would say is Baines would have weakened the PVH team... and PVH would have weakened the Baines team.
The difference in the game over just 20yrs.
....think I'll just fence sit

Baines right now tho ... yeah, he'd improve us no end .

 

[BlueBarrow]

Will be an unpopular opinion but none of the back four of Everton were that silky. Including Van den Hauwe. He was possibly the best footballer in the defence. As a unit they all clicked for a few years under a manager who had them believing they were winners. Ratcliffes pace often got him out of trouble to account for his lack of technique. Degsy was a bruiser and frustrated centre forward. Gary Stevens was a fantastic athlete. Individually you wouldnt have said any of them were brilliant. As a collective. Kendall made them.
Helped aswell when you had the best keeper in the world behind them.

Disagree mate, but respectfully so.
Granted football has changed over the years ,tactically , and expectations of defenders playing out from the back.
In my view, all that back four could have adapted to the modern game.