6 + 2 Point Deductions

Fonzy said:
16 points we finished above them…not by a single point or a goal. 16 points…so how the hell did WE get them relegated.

Pricks. We should counter sue them for Deformation of character…as the whole idea is we cheated.
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Add that to the fact that we have already had it decided "in court" that we gained "no sporting advantage".

Case closed.... here's your legal bill Burnley (muppets)!
 

Furey1878 said:
I believe it's for 21/22. We finished 4 points above them, they went down. In October 23, we were docked 10 points for our 21/22 breach, it was eventually reduced to 6. So I guess the argument is that had we been docked 6 points in 21/22, we'd have went down.

Think it's still a load of crap, myself.
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Burnley’s issue has to be with the PL.

Everton complied with the rules and processes that were in place in 21/22.

The PL became aware of issues at Everton in the 22/23 season and instigated the monitoring of Everton’s accounts which led to the breach in that season.

The PLs rules were then changed to allow in season punishment so we got punished for 22/23(before rule change) and 23/24(in season) together.

I don’t think the rolling 3 year PSR allowance ending in 21/22 was breached due to Covid allowances.

The club need to grow a pair and get this thrown out before it goes any further.
 
Dymak said:
The Echo article states that the hearing will be heard at the International Dispute Resolution Centre in London. I’m assuming both sides would have the right to appeal once the hearing is concluded?

The fact that Everton are being targeted and not the PL is puzzling, as the responsibility to both decide upon the level of punishment and when the punishment should be implemented has only ever been the PL’s responsibility, and it’s never been something that Everton have had control of.

As the rules stand, the punishment is now designed to be dished out the season following the breach, and there has never been a situation where the punishment happens during the same season, which seems to be the basis of Burnley’s argument.

Or will it be less about PL rules, and more ‘Everton spent more money than they were allowed to during a season in which Burnley were relegated, this put Burnley at a disadvantage in their efforts to avoid relegation, and we want compensating for
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If its being dealt with at the International Dispute Resolution Centre its not a Court hearing as such, its part of the process where the parties meet to see if any agreement can be reached. Any trial will follow much further down the line
 

I still haven’t had it explained to me how WE are in any way involved in this. Why aren’t they taking the league to court over this? We don’t owe those little tin pot scruffs anything, their gripe is with the Premier League for delaying the hearing and the application of the punishment to the next season. Weird that anyone at Everton is even entertaining this.
 
MikeH72 said:
I still haven’t had it explained to me how WE are in any way involved in this. Why aren’t they taking the league to court over this? We don’t owe those little tin pot scruffs anything, their gripe is with the Premier League for delaying the hearing and the application of the punishment to the next season. Weird that anyone at Everton is even entertaining this.
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Exactly that. Its the Premier League that deferred the punishment to the following season. Its nothing to do with EFC as to when or how much the points deductions were applied. We could just as well argue that we were punished too much with the 6 points, having since seen Forest get only 3 points for a larger breach.
 
Furey1878 said:
I believe it's for 21/22. We finished 4 points above them, they went down. In October 23, we were docked 10 points for our 21/22 breach, it was eventually reduced to 6. So I guess the argument is that had we been docked 6 points in 21/22, we'd have went down.

Think it's still a load of crap, myself.
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They’re using the PL’s framework of rules and punishment (six point deduction) as the basis of their argument regarding their relegation, but then they are seeking compensation outside of the PL’s framework of rules and punishment.

Our argument will surely be that both Everton and Burnley have only ever signed up to the PL’s framework, which continues to issue points deductions for PSR breaches the following season after they occur. That, and the inability to quantify any supposed advantage/disadvantage.

Burnley clearly think that it is possible for them to seek compensation for breaches of PL rules via alternative legal frameworks of litigation. I’d like to think that they are wrong, and that the rules that they signed up for as a PL member are the rules that they have to accept and abide by. You don’t get to seek legal damages because the rules you agreed to aren’t to your liking!
 

Iana said:
Burnley’s issue has to be with the PL.

Everton complied with the rules and processes that were in place in 21/22.

The PL became aware of issues at Everton in the 22/23 season and instigated the monitoring of Everton’s accounts which led to the breach in that season.

The PLs rules were then changed to allow in season punishment so we got punished for 22/23(before rule change) and 23/24(in season) together.

I don’t think the rolling 3 year PSR allowance ending in 21/22 was breached due to Covid allowances.

The club need to grow a pair and get this thrown out before it goes any further.
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Dymak said:
They’re using the PL’s framework of rules and punishment (six point deduction) as the basis of their argument regarding their relegation, but then they are seeking compensation outside of the PL’s framework of rules and punishment.

Our argument will surely be that both Everton and Burnley have only ever signed up to the PL’s framework, which continues to issue points deductions for PSR breaches the following season after they occur. That, and the inability to quantify any supposed advantage/disadvantage.

Burnley clearly think that it is possible for them to seek compensation for breaches of PL rules via alternative legal frameworks of litigation. I’d like to think that they are wrong, and that the rules that they signed up for as a PL member are the rules that they have to accept and abide by. You don’t get to seek legal damages because the rules you agreed to aren’t to your liking!
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Yeah I agree. Seems odd to direct the compensation claim at us when the issue is the regulatory body and the PL. Also, shouldn't Leicester be part of their claim if this is the route they're taking ? They were in the PL in 21/22.

I honestly think the only leg they have to stand on would be if they feel we got McNeil off them for a massively cut-price deal as a result of their relegation. But for me, we paid a very fair fee for McNeil.
 

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