Summer rebuild

[milks]

It's an exciting time for whoever has the responsibility to undertake this rebuild. Assuming the money is being invested of course.

Focus as ever has to be on U23 players with future resale value so that we can continue to increase the pot and remain outside of the reach of PSR by player trading. There is some real talent in the Championship and we need to be tapping into that - market is inflated however and even a decent youngster is going to be sold for a minimum of £15m so the process won't be cheap. We as a fan base can't then bemoan that 'big clubs are stealing our players' as the process to become a 'big club' again will entail 2/3 years of a buy cheap(ish) - sell high(er) strategy.

I've said before there are three free-agents to get at now; David, Gomes, Walker-Peters. All three improve our current squad. Great place to start...

Just hope we don't get to the end of August and are still trying to get deals for Danny Ings and JWP over the line

 

[Simon Buttle]

The only concern for me would be this suggestion that we are looking at British based players, whether that's the Championship or the PL its literally the most expensive market we can shop in. The likes of Huijsen, Kerkez, Kluivert and Semenyo were all under £20m signings, Milenkovic and Murillo less than £15m. There are players out there, we just have to go and look for them, we don't need to be spending massive fee's imo.

 

[Jimishorts]

 

[Lanolin]

Realistically other than about 3 players you would ideally like improvements in every single position as well as more depth, so I suppose it just depends what Moyes sees as the biggest priority areas and what's available on the market. It's a big job, I hope we have the money for it.

 

[Rita_Poon]

£100-£150m they're talking.

It's like nothing has been learned. It's like no one remembers Moyes mk I. He did his best work buying overlooked players with a point to prove.

leicester signed Mahrez for £450k. These are the kinds of small layout deals we need to find. When we pay big, we lose big. Gotta get value.

 

[TheBlueBlitzer]

If we took up the options on the loans we already have thats already £100m. i think mangala probably would get bought if hes fit for next season, does anyone know if his loan ended? Alcaraz and lindstrom £40m together. Broja considering we loaned him injured and us being everton wouldnt be suprised if we take the option on him aswell especially if Dom leaves. Takes us to atleast 70m. Id prefer to look at other targets tbf (alcaraz aside) but being everton we will buy a striker who's been out a season, and a cam playing on the right with like 1 or two assists

 

[MACCA75]

£100-£150m they're talking.

It's like nothing has been learned. It's like no one remembers Moyes mk I. He did his best work buying overlooked players with a point to prove.

leicester signed Mahrez for £450k. These are the kinds of small layout deals we need to find. When we pay big, we lose big. Gotta get value.

Value yes, but we are shopping in 2025. £20 million isn’t an expensive player anymore.
We need to be competitive in the market.

Moyes never actually ‘spent big’ on a player anyway. People think Bilyaletidinov was expensive but that was far less than Villa paid for Downing that summer, and the big clubs were paying 3 or 4 times as much for players.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Value yes, but we are shopping in 2025. £20 million isn’t an expensive player anymore.
We need to be competitive in the market.

We got hauled over the coals for £2.5m over budget for losses.

We can't carry another round of Gbamin, Bolasie and Sigurdsson. There's value out there. It'll be an arduous process but Moyes has excelled before.

 

[milks]

If we took up the options on the loans we already have thats already £100m. i think mangala probably would get bought if hes fit for next season, does anyone know if his loan ended? Alcaraz and lindstrom £40m together. Broja considering we loaned him injured and us being everton wouldnt be suprised if we take the option on him aswell especially if Dom leaves. Takes us to atleast 70m. Id prefer to look at other targets tbf (alcaraz aside) but being everton we will buy a striker who's been out a season, and a cam playing on the right with like 1 or two assists

I'd be surprised if they bite at the agreed prices for Mangala and Broja (£30m a piece), they may try and renegotiate but I'd say money and efforts better spent elsewhere. I remain convinced that Broja is a talent, but is that investment worth half a Delap for example? Probably not...

Alcaraz and Lindstrom are cheaper (£15m and £20m respectively) and both represent more value; though I'd like to see some productivity from Lindstrom over the remainder of the season myself.

Alcaraz at £15m is a no-brainer however the remainder of the season pans out - he's 23 and will immediately be worth more money for resale.

 

[ValBlue]

We can’t address the first team and the depth in one big go, there’s just way too much. I’m happy for a slower approach. Though I’m still expecting a decent outlay with a number of players coming in, 6-8 sounds about right but possibly more.

Alcaraz obligation will probably be triggered. Questions marks around Mangala/Broja/Lindstrom. I’d much prefer we look elsewhere for value considering the figures tied to them (though would be interested to see if Lyon want to lower the price on Mangala given their situation and his injury).

Key contract extensions are a priority, smart free transfers where available eg Walker Peters/Lampty could be shrewd for both depth and immediate contribution without hurting the war chest. Actual spend needed on the key attacking areas (right wing, striker) and another CB (Keane and Holgate most likely leaving and Tarkowski not getting younger). We don’t necessarily need to go ballistic but be smart. £20m doesn’t get you a lot these days, need to find value where it is and trust Moyes to coach them right.

Hoping with the new stadium, we can be a slightly better prospect for free contracts and current players wanting to stay past their current contracts.

Better use of loan slots go without saying

 

[Somerset Blue]

The only concern for me would be this suggestion that we are looking at British based players, whether that's the Championship or the PL its literally the most expensive market we can shop in. The likes of Huijsen, Kerkez, Kluivert and Semenyo were all under £20m signings, Milenkovic and Murillo less than £15m. There are players out there, we just have to go and look for them, we don't need to be spending massive fee's imo.

Semenyo came from Bristol City.

 

[bluestevon]

I think both Alcaraz and Lindstrom will remain here next season, but I think the club may loo to extend the loan with option on Lindstrom possibly in order to save on 20m but get a player we know adjusted to the side/manager/league, Alcaraz is just a gut feeling he'll do enough that we trigger the clause.

Overall including them I'm going for 10-12 in total. At least two maybe three more loans. But we will definitely save at least one foreign and one domestic loan spot for the January to avoid a repeat of this year's mess.

So between 5-7 players we buy. The amount hugely depends on if we buy a striker or loan instead. I'm going for around 150m net spend - probably more in hope than belief.

Mostly 15-20/22m players but one which will break our transfer record.

But I think that will be almost a one off investment and the next season we will spend little outside of sales unless we make a huge improvement and they try to push on for European football (very unlikely).

 

[ToffeeScot]

Keep -

Jordan Pickford
James Tarkowski (vice-captain)
Dwight McNeil
Iliman Ndiaye
Beto
Jake O'Brien
Youssef Chermiti
Vitaliy Mykolenko
Carlos Alcaraz (on loan from Flamengo)
Idrissa Gueye
Jarrad Branthwaite
James Garner
Tim Iroegbunam

Release/Sell -

Michael Keane
Orel Mangala (on loan from Lyon)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Jack Harrison (on loan from Leeds United)
João Virgínia
Abdoulaye Doucouré
Ashley Young
Armando Broja (on loan from Chelsea)
Séamus Coleman (captain)
Jesper Lindstrøm (on loan from Napoli)
Asmir Begović

Loan out -

Nathan Patterson

With the squad we have I'd probably do this in the summer. I wouldn't keep any of the loans we got in the Summer because the buyout clauses were too high (Lindstrom), they're not good enough (Harrison) or injury reasons (Broja).

Players that absolutely should go this summer include Keane, Doucoure, Young and Coleman because of age and they're not good enough generally. If one of the keepers would stay on a deal to be 3rd choice then fair enough. The DCL thing seems to be out of our hands really.

Patterson has a contract until 2027 so I'd probably loan him out to try and get some resale value or to see if he can step up. I'd probably promote Dixon to be an option for us in his place.

What that does show in terms of my Keep list is that we are incredibly thin. Only 13 players and it includes the likes of Beto (who many think should be sold), Branthwaite (who has the potential to be sold due to his ability and fee we could perhaps command) and Gueye who is old (but I would still give him another year but try to rely on him less).

That puts us in a position where we need 5-10 players really. I think the idea with Armstrong is to get him loan experience so he can be a senior squad player next season. If we add him and Dixon that makes 15.

I think we need at least 2 full back options, a CB, a midfielder, two wingers and a striker. If Begovic/Virginia go then a backup keeper too but you'd imagine one of those stays.

 

[MACCA75]

We got hauled over the coals for £2.5m over budget for losses.

We can't carry another round of Gbamin, Bolasie and Sigurdsson. There's value out there. It'll be an arduous process but Moyes has excelled before.

Barring an absolute miracle of scouting - we are going to need a substantial budget this summer if we want to move up the league.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Semenyo came from Bristol City.

I know he did, but some of the prices on Championship players now are bonkers. We got briefly linked with Dan Neil of Sunderland in the recent window who is a decent midfielder who would add something to us. I wouldn't want to pay anymore than £15m max for him, maybe a little more as he is their captain (I think) but certainly not £20m+ like the daft prices we were quoted previous for the likes of average tripe like Gnonto.