New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

Never really understood the argument for an extra station . Sandhills is close enough to serve the ground and general area .
If you put a station slightly closer to the ground it would experience the same level of use as Sandhills is predicted to experience on matchday.
Ultimately the possible problems were always going to happen due to the location .
The logical alternative would have been a ground on the outskirts of the urban area surrounded by a massive car park . This would have satisfied the car drivers , but still presented a challenge for users of public transport.
I think on balance we have an outstanding location and made the correct choice .
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
Never really understood the argument for an extra station . Sandhills is close enough to serve the ground and general area .
If you put a station slightly closer to the ground it would experience the same level of use as Sandhills is predicted to experience on matchday.
Ultimately the possible problems were always going to happen due to the location .
The logical alternative would have been a ground on the outskirts of the urban area surrounded by a massive car park . This would have satisfied the car drivers , but still presented a challenge for users of public transport.
I think on balance we have an outstanding location and made the correct choice .
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Vauxhall Station is required to serve the population of Vauxhall, the Ten Streets and Liverpool Waters developments, and has been part of the medium term plans for Merseyrail for years. It was also part of the initial plan for BMD, till we lost the CWG bid (after it was brought forward due to Durban pulling out of the last games). Otherwise it would've been built.

The capacity for any station is a combination of train frequency/capacity, headways/dwell times and available platform space, for Sandhills the Island platform arrangement limits that capacity. I believe it was set at approx 3k per hr before the marshalling area was introduced, and I think now they're saying it'll be nearer 6k per hr due to that additional space and having controls in place. That is still probably less than one third of the actual line capacity for a full schedule of 8 carriage trains (if that's possible). So more available platform space would only help.

The out of town model was tried at Kirkby and was literally laughed out of the inquiry when the transport plan came under the lightest scrutiny. The city centre based model is supposed to allow 90+% to leave their cars at home.... with the public transport able to comfortably handle the number of passengers (as it does every rush hr). BMD is somewhere in between at present, and really needs a good capacity connection with all the city centre hubs to achieve that modal shift, to avoid gridlock around the stadium.
 
Genuinely think it will be a lot quicker just to walk to Moorfields if people are able rather than even bother with Sandhills.

I'd walk to bank hall on the way back but the train will be absolutely rammed so would probably struggle to even get on.
 
Access / egress is going to be aided with the rapid transport system scheduled for 2028 and when there's a riverside exit which will happen with the projected park through the central docks.

They are medium to long term partial solutions though.

As has been said, we needed massive infrastructure improvements finished well in advance of this stadium's opening. I'm not sure how this stadium project was even allowed to go ahead with the reality of about 53,000 fans + all others required on site every 2 weeks who are all supposed to comply with a dog's breakfast of a transport plan.

The like's of Anderson and Rotheram are in the frame for this - as well as the LCC planning Committee - if things go badly wrong.
 

SLAVEN BILIC said:
I raised a point yesterday about the extra station and have read a few comments about splitting them north and south.

What happens to none match going public.

Let’s say Sandhills is southbound, but somebody needs to use the station to go northbound. They can’t and get told to walk to the new station or Kirkdale/Bank Hall. Why it’s not their fault. Also does the train going northbound even stop at Sandhills now, what if you need to get off? “Sorry you’ve got to get off at a station before or after.”

The world doesn’t revolve around footy. Life still goes on. Look how many people use the trains now on a match day that haven’t got the slightest bit of interest in it. There’d be murder.
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I don't think it would ever be split officially, yet rather people would naturally travel to a station that aids their final journey.

I live in South Liverpool: I will probably walk to Moorfields rather than Sandhills simply due to it reducing the time I'm on the train.
 
Is there any information regarding stadium tours and when they might start? Is it likely to be after the first official game or will we have an opportunity before then? Thanks
 
BullensRoad said:
If I want to shoot off currently at goodison I get one of the many busses to lime st. (I remember a while back they only had one!).

If they're still providing this service with the reduction in traffic, and provided points of pick up or drop off - why hasn't this been communicated?

Having scruffy Rotherham just show some cattle farm outside of Sandhills really makes me concerned even more who's working for LCC.
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We get the politicians we deserve unfortunately. Utterly useless the lot of them.
 

johngefc said:
Genuinely think it will be a lot quicker just to walk to Moorfields if people are able rather than even bother with Sandhills.

I'd walk to bank hall on the way back but the train will be absolutely rammed so would probably struggle to even get on.
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Sandhills is more for people going the other way.

It's pointless to walk for 15 minutes to Sandhills, stand around like cattle in that queue system and be crammed in like sardines on a packed train eventually, when in less time you could just walk back to town.

A station at Vauxhall would allow the natural filter between fans going back into city centre there and those going the other way on the Southport/Ormskirk/Kirkby trains (to Sandhills).

And fans who don't fancy the walk or have mobility issues there needs to be options with buses.
 
dixiesdisciple said:
Is there any information regarding stadium tours and when they might start? Is it likely to be after the first official game or will we have an opportunity before then? Thanks
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It would make sense for them to get tours available while the current season is still going on. We`re all excited and can`t wait to see what it`s like on the inside, and I`d say particularly on a match day morning there`d be plenty of blues in town that would take the opportunity to have a look.
 
gazzaa2 said:
Sandhills is more for people going the other way.

It's pointless to walk for 15 minutes to Sandhills, stand around like cattle in that queue system and be crammed in like sardines on a packed train eventually, when in less time you could just walk back to town.

A station at Vauxhall would allow the natural filter between fans going back into city centre there and those going the other way on the Southport/Ormskirk/Kirkby trains (to Sandhills).

And fans who don't fancy the walk or have mobility issues there needs to be options with buses.
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I`d imagine there`d be a lot more folks heading back to toward the city center after an event so having a small station with trains heading in that direction on match days would make sense.
 

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