Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

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None of us know the true state of our finances. Its not unreasonable to suggest we're still deep in it based on what has come before.

Owners don't get a free pass, but ultimately they appointed Moyes and its he who has given us breathing space and, frankly, made TFGs initial job a lot easier.

It's a disappointing window and we are undoubtedly stretched but the litmus test is the summer. If we go into next season in a similar state then yeah, big questions need asking.
 

mahermi1 said:
I've said from day one in this t/w that it's better to wait and get the right transfer targets and that's still the case for me. This has intensified due to the injuries to first team players though. I expected two or three because of this, Broja, DCL, McNeil, Mangala are pretty big shoes to fill with this small squad, we have Alcaraz, like another striker and a fast right winger if possible, but they have to be the right ones, not make weights, not long to go.
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Just think even on the short term with us maybe having another loan spot can cover us till the end of the season
 

Tilling said:
Not sure this is quite right. We've definitely been screwed more than most clubs by events - you can point to COVID depressing the market for selling players off, the failures of the board to secure proper stadium financing, the impact of Russian invasion of Ukraine and so on. I agree that the lazy pundit types ignore this far too much.

But we did spend *way* too much money relative to what we could "sustainably" spend - partly driven by some very dodgy forecasting about where the team could expect to finish under Koeman, Silva, and Ancelotti and the subsequent European money we would get. We know this from the findings of the Independent Commission - that Evertons "sustainable business plan" projected that the club would regularly finish in the top eight of the Premier League, which we haven't done since 2018 (and not in Europe for even longer). Yes this was exacerbated by COVID - but it was a very risky strategy regardless.

The Ancelotti season is especially egregious - all before COVID, we made a £112m loss in 2018/19, a £140m loss in 2019/20, all clear warning signs that things were going badly wrong financially. Poised to appoint Moyes for a 2nd spell to start curbing the damage - then appointed Ancelotti, spent £60m on Allan Doucs Godfrey, gave out exorbitant contracts to James Rodriguez, Keane, Holgate, and so on. We eventually finished 10th, making another £121m loss in the process. That's 3 of the 11 highest losses ever made by a Premier League club (at time of 1st points deduction).

I totally agree with everything else you've said mind you; I saw that our net spend over the past five years is lower than half of the clubs in the Championship, truly mad. But the lesson of the past half decade has to be that we need to be much, much more clever in the way we spend money. Thankfully, Moyes at the helm seems to be part of correcting our trajectory - and Everton are on the up and up ;)
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Teams do spend money. You talk up spending £60m for Ancelotti on 3 players. It's part of the game. Bournemouth have spent £250m net the past couple of seasons. Villa £400m+ under Emery. Don't get me started on Forest, West Ham and Man Utd. Chelsea have spent more under Boehly than we have in our entire history.

My point is, the narrative around Everton's recruitment under Koeman as being the reason we've been on our arse is nowhere near the full picture. It's a con. A lazy narrative.

Split the years however you like 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, Everton are never near the front of spend. Often we're bottom 2. Sure, we've signed some crap - but that's football - so has every team. Read a Man Utd or West Ham forum...

The stadium, and a board who didn't anticipate Russia's war/Usmanov's taps off is biggest factor and they never get mentioned.

[Edit] Just realised I'm a bit off topic here. BUY PLAYERS EVERTON FFS.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Teams do spend money. You talk up spending £60m for Ancelotti on 3 players. It's part of the game. Bournemouth have spent £250m net the past couple of seasons. Villa £400m+ under Emery. Don't get me started on Forest, West Ham and Man Utd. Chelsea have spent more under Boehly than we have in our entire history.

My point is, the narrative around Everton's recruitment under Koeman as being the reason we've been on our arse is nowhere near the full picture. It's a con. A lazy narrative.

Split the years however you like 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, Everton are never near the front of spend. Often we're bottom 2. Sure, we've signed some crap - but that's football - so has every team. Read a Man Utd or West Ham forum...

The stadium, and a board who didn't anticipate Russia's war/Usmanov's taps off is biggest factor and they never get mentioned.

[Edit] Just realised I'm a bit off topic here. BUY PLAYERS EVERTON FFS.
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Everything comes back to the board. The last decade has been an ongoing seminar in how not to run any business, let alone a football club. Staggering negligence and incompetence and we have paid, and continue to pay, for it dearly.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Teams do spend money. You talk up spending £60m for Ancelotti on 3 players. It's part of the game. Bournemouth have spent £250m net the past couple of seasons. Villa £400m+ under Emery. Don't get me started on Forest, West Ham and Man Utd. Chelsea have spent more under Boehly than we have in our entire history.

My point is, the narrative around Everton's recruitment under Koeman as being the reason we've been on our arse is nowhere near the full picture. It's a con. A lazy narrative.

Split the years however you like 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, Everton are never near the front of spend. Often we're bottom 2. Sure, we've signed some crap - but that's football - so has every team. Read a Man Utd or West Ham forum...

The stadium, and a board who didn't anticipate Russia's war/Usmanov's taps off is biggest factor and they never get mentioned.

[Edit] Just realised I'm a bit off topic here. BUY PLAYERS EVERTON FFS.
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off topic will have to ban you

Everton, please don't make stupid decisions and buy decent players. After this weekend, I am also fine waiting because I don't want Tosun
 

MACCA75 said:
I don’t think we spent a penny more than a club like Everton should be spending. The problem was spending it on an unprecedented amount of duds that we had to give away after their huge contracts ran out.
Just two or three successful signings would have transformed the situation.
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We know that isn't true though - the wages we spent relative to our turnover was horrendous. In 19/20, 20/21, 21/22 it was 89%, 95%, 90% - that's an insanely high amount for a club that was also building a new stadium at the same time almost purely out of owner funding! 2nd highest in the Prem I believe. I don't think two or three successful signings would have transformed the situation - you're looking at a bigger number than that I think.

I agree though - the bigger problem is spending on [Poor language removed] rather than spending full stop - which is why I'm pleased we haven't gone out and panic bought a striker like many were pining for before Beto's brace on Saturday
 
lieneverton said:
Everything comes back to the board. The last decade has been an ongoing seminar in how not to run any business, let alone a football club. Staggering negligence and incompetence and we have paid, and continue to pay, for it dearly.
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It does mate, but to be fair - not many predicted Russia's war. USM Arena was lined up to bring £200m into the club. That's not conjecture, I shared the trademarks for it on here. 777 etc would never have happened. Usmanov was taking over when it suited (after stadium). In short - Everton (and Chelsea, Schalke), that.
 

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