2024/25 David Moyes

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Now that the dust has settled, i think its important to take an objective look at why we appointed Moyes and holistically what it means to the club.

As regards the selection I think we were caught between competing needs of survival/stabilisation and progress if im honest. There are also other variables like availability without compo, working knowledge, experience of our current position etc. He just ticked an awful lot of logical boxes in terms of competency and in fact bang on what we needed. I said so many times over the last fer months id be really surprised if its wasn't Moyes, because given the skill set we need and competencies he's the perfect bridge for right now and the future.

What the club needs right now is survival, what ever we did in the last two seasons and it was nothing short of miraculous, the balance in the squad is off, we have one of the best defiance's in Europe and the worst attack. This conundrum need to be problem solved, is it possible more can be coached, is it possible the balance can be struck. Its something Moyes has done before. Thats the most immediate need and i think hes going to do it - its likely not going to be pretty and i think the next few months are the worst we are going to be.

What we have done in appointing Moyes, is more though. He has skills in terms of building football teams worth 100s of millions of football talent, bring those teams to European competition and higher PL placement. Lets be frank at the moment we are the poster boys off how not to build football teams, invested big, bought poorly, dragged us down the league and are a laughing stock of the footballing world - you go on different teams forums and they call us a turd that just wont flush. Our reputation is in tatters. That is borne out with players like Philogebe this week picking Ipswich over us - Ipwsich Town! Moyes took us over in this situation before he brought young talent in and turned many of them into international players commanding fees cumulatively worth 100s of millions to the club, did it again and again. But that was 10- 20 years ago? Hes done the exact same thing in his last job at WHU, brought them from relegation candidates to Europe and made them 100s of millions as a football club.

Simply put Moyes is going to recover this club. There are two sources of revenue. What you make yourself and what you can generate in player sales. Our current turnover is about £190 mill on a good year, yet this is eaten by high costs - this is finishing very shortly. Beyond June 25, we can expect an annual revenue of about £250 mill approx , that puts is a bracket with WHU, Newcastle, Aston Villa - who have to be our aim to compete with by the end of this cycle. Secondly with the added revenue created by cost saving in June and increased revenue - who do you trust to pick players who you can buy low, improve, appreciate, contribute and ultimately realize a significant profit on (being unwilling sellers) - contribute and increase revenue by bringing the club up the league and possibly Europe - its Moyes.

So in essence TFG have chosen him i would argue based on the above skills, competency and ability to manage the club now but also to manage whatever investment they will make in the playing squad in the coming years and overall increase the value of the club. They are backing him to raise all boats holistically at the club.

Which brings us to a judgment on the TFG, i think this is such a quick and clever decision and im really impressed with it, from an entirely holistic point of view including playing and business ive been saying for months now that id be surprised if it wasnt Moyes, hes absolutely the most logical choice for what we need, they've seen that almost immediately and that's impressive, they have this spot on if i was protecting a £600 mill pound investment and wanted to grow that investment and needed to trust someone to do all that i mention above, Moyes is a no brainer.

From their point of view Football investment in generally about a 10 year minimum financial investment before looking for a return, could TFG look at the first 2.5 year of this investment cycle being stabilisation and growth - absolutely, the job of work now is above and raising all boats. If they and Moyes achieve that over this cycle its a job well done and we consign this horrific time in our history to the skip.

Honestly when i weigh everything up i find it hard logically for it hard not to think that is the best decision we could have made. Im not saying there wont be bumps in the road, the next few months will be the lowest we will be. But i definitely have feeling with this decision and what it means holistically for the club that we've jus picked ourselves off rock bottom.

This is just about recovering the football team, this is about recovering the club holistically over a period of time, we have the right man. ;)
I'd back him to do a recovery job, as you put it. He'll have been a big success if we are circa 8th position in the league in 18 months time. I doubt he'll get that far, though. His main job - as Dyche's was - is to keep us up this season. Unlike Dyche, he has the ability to move us up the table then - especially as, again, unlike Dyche, he'll have money to spend. But that's where it's going to get really tricky for Davey. With money to spend, he will not get away with slow starts to seasons - which he was notorious for with us - or those runs of seven or eight games with, say, a single win, three draws, and four defeats. Kenwright would never remove his shield back in the day, but these Americans, unlike Kenwright, having actually spent money, have higher standards.

Honestly, I think the very best outcome for us is we get behind Moyes, he keeps us up, and we pay him off in the summer. Anything else is simply prolonging a very predictable timeline where he eventually runs out of road once the club is safe, has money to spend, and the old self-imposed glass ceiling is reinstalled at the new stadium. I'd love to be wrong and hope I am. But for now, full support.
 
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Now that the dust has settled, i think its important to take an objective look at why we appointed Moyes and holistically what it means to the club.

As regards the selection I think we were caught between competing needs of survival/stabilisation and progress if im honest. There are also other variables like availability without compo, working knowledge, experience of our current position etc. He just ticked an awful lot of logical boxes in terms of competency and in fact bang on what we needed. I said so many times over the last fer months id be really surprised if its wasn't Moyes, because given the skill set we need and competencies he's the perfect bridge for right now and the future.

What the club needs right now is survival, what ever we did in the last two seasons and it was nothing short of miraculous, the balance in the squad is off, we have one of the best defiance's in Europe and the worst attack. This conundrum need to be problem solved, is it possible more can be coached, is it possible the balance can be struck. Its something Moyes has done before. Thats the most immediate need and i think hes going to do it - its likely not going to be pretty and i think the next few months are the worst we are going to be.

What we have done in appointing Moyes, is more though. He has skills in terms of building football teams worth 100s of millions of football talent, bring those teams to European competition and higher PL placement. Lets be frank at the moment we are the poster boys off how not to build football teams, invested big, bought poorly, dragged us down the league and are a laughing stock of the footballing world - you go on different teams forums and they call us a turd that just wont flush. Our reputation is in tatters. That is borne out with players like Philogebe this week picking Ipswich over us - Ipwsich Town! Moyes took us over in this situation before he brought young talent in and turned many of them into international players commanding fees cumulatively worth 100s of millions to the club, did it again and again. But that was 10- 20 years ago? Hes done the exact same thing in his last job at WHU, brought them from relegation candidates to Europe and made them 100s of millions as a football club.

Simply put Moyes is going to recover this club. There are two sources of revenue. What you make yourself and what you can generate in player sales. Our current turnover is about £190 mill on a good year, yet this is eaten by high costs - this is finishing very shortly. Beyond June 25, we can expect an annual revenue of about £250 mill approx , that puts is a bracket with WHU, Newcastle, Aston Villa - who have to be our aim to compete with by the end of this cycle. Secondly with the added revenue created by cost saving in June and increased revenue - who do you trust to pick players who you can buy low, improve, appreciate, contribute and ultimately realize a significant profit on (being unwilling sellers) - contribute and increase revenue by bringing the club up the league and possibly Europe - its Moyes.

So in essence TFG have chosen him i would argue based on the above skills, competency and ability to manage the club now but also to manage whatever investment they will make in the playing squad in the coming years and overall increase the value of the club. They are backing him to raise all boats holistically at the club.

Which brings us to a judgment on the TFG, i think this is such a quick and clever decision and im really impressed with it, from an entirely holistic point of view including playing and business ive been saying for months now that id be surprised if it wasnt Moyes, hes absolutely the most logical choice for what we need, they've seen that almost immediately and that's impressive, they have this spot on if i was protecting a £600 mill pound investment and wanted to grow that investment and needed to trust someone to do all that i mention above, Moyes is a no brainer.

From their point of view Football investment in generally about a 10 year minimum financial investment before looking for a return, could TFG look at the first 2.5 year of this investment cycle being stabilisation and growth - absolutely, the job of work now is above and raising all boats. If they and Moyes achieve that over this cycle its a job well done and we consign this horrific time in our history to the skip.

Honestly when i weigh everything up i find it hard logically for it hard not to think that is the best decision we could have made. Im not saying there wont be bumps in the road, the next few months will be the lowest we will be. But i definitely have feeling with this decision and what it means holistically for the club that we've jus picked ourselves off rock bottom.

This is just about recovering the football team, this is about recovering the club holistically over a period of time, we have the right man. ;)
I think TFG picked him because he was available now and has a reasonable track record. Whether he has the same hunger, and has the same effect this time round remains to be seen. He's inheriting a weaker squad imo, certainly when it comes to scoring goals.

Obviously we needed an interim manager, and yes, Moyes fits that bill. My one burning question (not necessarily to you) though is what was TFG's Plan A when they acquired the club? And is Plan A now shelved? Will they be going back to Frank (or whoever) in June, or is it all about Moyes for the next 2 years? For Moyes to get anything like the results he got with us first time round, he will need far longer than 2 years, given the state of this squad, imo.
 
I wonder if they think Moyes could move upstairs in the summer. His skillset would be far better suited to that role at this stage of his career at this club. That's something I could get behind. Let's face it, Thelwell is a lame duck and Moyes won't be taking any direction from him.
Is Thelwell out of contract in the summer?
 

No they shouldn’t be, but in reality these are 3 tough fixtures for a new manager to walk into.

Moyes should be saying we can win these 3 matches. This is my opinion that they are hard games.

Come on let's have it right here. Aston Villa are up and down, Spurs are as Spursy as ever and Brighton have one win in 9 matches.

If you compare it to Dyche his first games were against Arsenal, Liverpool and Leeds and he won 2 out of 3. Moyes needs to be winning at least one of his opening 3 games.
 
He is - and no sign of a renewal.

Moyes keeps us safe, moves upstairs, rebuilds the club, and gets in a manager who has something he always lacked (besides money): fantasy and a touch of bravery on the road.

That's something I could definitely support.
That might explain the relatively long term deal.
 
Now that the dust has settled, i think its important to take an objective look at why we appointed Moyes and holistically what it means to the club.

As regards the selection I think we were caught between competing needs of survival/stabilisation and progress if im honest. There are also other variables like availability without compo, working knowledge, experience of our current position etc. He just ticked an awful lot of logical boxes in terms of competency and in fact bang on what we needed. I said so many times over the last fer months id be really surprised if its wasn't Moyes, because given the skill set we need and competencies he's the perfect bridge for right now and the future.

What the club needs right now is survival, what ever we did in the last two seasons and it was nothing short of miraculous, the balance in the squad is off, we have one of the best defiance's in Europe and the worst attack. This conundrum need to be problem solved, is it possible more can be coached, is it possible the balance can be struck. Its something Moyes has done before. Thats the most immediate need and i think hes going to do it - its likely not going to be pretty and i think the next few months are the worst we are going to be.

What we have done in appointing Moyes, is more though. He has skills in terms of building football teams worth 100s of millions of football talent, bring those teams to European competition and higher PL placement. Lets be frank at the moment we are the poster boys off how not to build football teams, invested big, bought poorly, dragged us down the league and are a laughing stock of the footballing world - you go on different teams forums and they call us a turd that just wont flush. Our reputation is in tatters. That is borne out with players like Philogebe this week picking Ipswich over us - Ipwsich Town! Moyes took us over in this situation before he brought young talent in and turned many of them into international players commanding fees cumulatively worth 100s of millions to the club, did it again and again. But that was 10- 20 years ago? Hes done the exact same thing in his last job at WHU, brought them from relegation candidates to Europe and made them 100s of millions as a football club.

Simply put Moyes is going to recover this club. There are two sources of revenue. What you make yourself and what you can generate in player sales. Our current turnover is about £190 mill on a good year, yet this is eaten by high costs - this is finishing very shortly. Beyond June 25, we can expect an annual revenue of about £250 mill approx , that puts is a bracket with WHU, Newcastle, Aston Villa - who have to be our aim to compete with by the end of this cycle. Secondly with the added revenue created by cost saving in June and increased revenue - who do you trust to pick players who you can buy low, improve, appreciate, contribute and ultimately realize a significant profit on (being unwilling sellers) - contribute and increase revenue by bringing the club up the league and possibly Europe - its Moyes.

So in essence TFG have chosen him i would argue based on the above skills, competency and ability to manage the club now but also to manage whatever investment they will make in the playing squad in the coming years and overall increase the value of the club. They are backing him to raise all boats holistically at the club.

Which brings us to a judgment on the TFG, i think this is such a quick and clever decision and im really impressed with it, from an entirely holistic point of view including playing and business ive been saying for months now that id be surprised if it wasnt Moyes, hes absolutely the most logical choice for what we need, they've seen that almost immediately and that's impressive, they have this spot on if i was protecting a £600 mill pound investment and wanted to grow that investment and needed to trust someone to do all that i mention above, Moyes is a no brainer.

From their point of view Football investment in generally about a 10 year minimum financial investment before looking for a return, could TFG look at the first 2.5 year of this investment cycle being stabilisation and growth - absolutely, the job of work now is above and raising all boats. If they and Moyes achieve that over this cycle its a job well done and we consign this horrific time in our history to the skip.

Honestly when i weigh everything up i find it hard logically for it hard not to think that is the best decision we could have made. Im not saying there wont be bumps in the road, the next few months will be the lowest we will be. But i definitely have feeling with this decision and what it means holistically for the club that we've jus picked ourselves off rock bottom.

This is just about recovering the football team, this is about recovering the club holistically over a period of time, we have the right man. ;)
It is absolutely the best decision they could make given the circumstance.

Did they create this situation themselves? - No Dyche put us here .
Could they get a manager mid season from another club? In PL very unlikely meaning you’d be going to Championship or outside the league - risky given our situation
Could they get a better manager not in work? They only one that seems comparable is Potter but West Ham stole the March which is not surprising given TFG were prepared to see the season out with Dyche
Therefore who is the best manager who has had experience of pulling teams away from the bottom and into the upper half of the league who is out of work? Moyes.

Two minor issues with the appointment for me….

1) length of contract - would have much preferred it to be 6 months
2) if it was to be 2.5 years would have wanted someone on back room staff who could have taken over from a succession planning perspective with no guarantees
 

That might explain the relatively long term deal.
The other interesting thing is they never actually revealed the length of his deal on their statement. People wondered why. Well, if the length encompasses TWO roles - one for six months, and the DoF from July - that would be a plausible reason to omit it (with Thelwell still in situ).
 
I wonder if they think Moyes could move upstairs in the summer. His skillset would be far better suited to that role at this stage of his career at this club. That's something I could get behind. Let's face it, Thelwell is a lame duck and Moyes won't be taking any direction from him.
Could see that...but only after 18 months. With all the other changes underway and coming. Summer would be too soon IMO.
 
I wonder if they think Moyes could move upstairs in the summer. His skillset would be far better suited to that role at this stage of his career at this club. That's something I could get behind. Let's face it, Thelwell is a lame duck and Moyes won't be taking any direction from him.
The only place Moyes could move up to at Everton is the board( not impossible in due course).
It still seems to me however he still has the energy and drive to manage.
Nobody knows better than Moyes what he is facing but it seems it didn't take long to convince him.

I think in the scheme of things his contract is not terribly long.
My feeling is that TFG hope in that time he can keep us in the division this season and consolidate us into at least a mid table team in the next two seasons.

If so, with the new ground we would be a very attractive club to manage for the more sought after managers.

We certainly are not atm.
 
He's exactly what we need right now. He needs neither the hassle nor the money so he must be confident he can stabilise us to start the move forward. If he does that (again) whatever style of play he has to use to get us there then he deserves all the plaudits he will receive and should have those he won''t receive. Dyche had given up and has Doucoure to thank (:Blink:) and then at least 3 of the poorest teams to ever play in the PL for us not already being relegated.

In a way it's a no lose situation for Moyes, personally, as a move 'upstairs' if he succeeds may well have been part of the talks with TFG (who knows?). If we are relegated that coward and bully who has just been sacked and the mess Moshiri & Kenwright left for TFG to clean up with the finances and the team/squad can't be fully attributed to Moyes as he has 4 months to try and put us on dry land.

He's the right man with, hopefully, enough time left to prevent the unthinkable.
 

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