New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[davek]

Even by your standards this is a ridiculous comment.
Before saying anything, you need to ask yourself ‘do I have the right to an opinion about this?’
Unless you’ve a *proven* career as a construction design engineer or sports stadium architect you truly don’t. You seriously need to stop thinking you can opine on areas that are far beyond you. It’s embarrassing.

You might as well delete almost every post in this thread if that's the yardstick for opinion you use.

 

[davek]

I would be interested to know who had final say on that light arrangement. Get a brill stadium, then someone goes ‘yeah that looks cool’ …unbelievable.

I know one thing: it'll remain an issue until the matter is addressed and corrected.

 

[matty1878]

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35% of West Ham tickets are in a different post code.

i meant support of 65

 

[billypatrick]

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Overall the outcome is very good, just short of miraculous. I never believed this club could pull that stadium off...especially at a site like that.

It's in the eye of the beholder on the design...I can even change my view of it from week to week: when you're at the site its sheer scale is breathtaking - something you dont get off videos and still images from any angle. The design is almost secondary when you see it at near distance. You're too busy being gobsmacked by the scale and therefore anything looks great.

Other times I look at it and I see a huge leisure centre with a futuristic roof...especially at the north and south stands.

It's why I get so het up about the lighting. IMO we need this to be absolutely spot on to maximise the stadium's visual statement.

I suppose it’s a good thing that we are now at the point where the stadium is almost finished and the debate is around matters of taste more than opinion. Let’s be grateful it is nearly ours and we are united in the achievement rather than the worry twelve months ago about it being stillborn. On the lighting, part of me thinks we are still to see the full reveal and I hope to be pleasantly impressed quite soon.

 

[John from Bootle]

I know one thing: it'll remain an issue until the matter is addressed and corrected.

Feel you're getting a bit of unfair stick here tbh Dave. I love how it looks in the main, but there's small details that bother me. The fact you can see through a bit of the roof when the lights are on annoys me a bit, and the lighting isn't great, though I'm sure it will at least be adjusted.

Overall I'm more than happy with it though, and I know that the small things that bother me won't bother others. I'd never be bothered if somebody said they didn't like how it looks though. How could I be? It's entirely subjective and you're never gonna please everybody with something like this.

 

[Drico]

Feel you're getting a bit of unfair stick here tbh Dave. I love how it looks in the main, but there's small details that bother me. The fact you can see through a bit of the roof when the lights are on annoys me a bit, and the lighting isn't great, though I'm sure it will at least be adjusted.

Overall I'm more than happy with it though, and I know that the small things that bother me won't bother others. I'd never be bothered though if somebody said they didn't like how it looks though. How could I be? It's entirely subjective and you're never gonna please everybody with something like this.

Dave's not wrong about the current flaws. It's, perhaps, more the mileage he's trying to get out of fixating on the lighting issue at the moment that arguably upsets the horses.

The lighting should be an easy issue to fix. After the handover, one imagines there's quite a substantial decorative fit out still to happen. I'd be amazed if the stadium still looks like "next door's best effort at Christmas" come August...to quote @brieverton last night.

 

[davek]

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I suppose it’s a good thing that we are now at the point where the stadium is almost finished and the debate is around matters of taste more than opinion. Let’s be grateful it is nearly ours and we are united in the achievement rather than the worry twelve months ago about it being stillborn. On the lighting, part of me thinks we are still to see the full reveal and I hope to be pleasantly impressed quite soon.

I hope so.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Overall the outcome is very good, just short of miraculous. I never believed this club could pull that stadium off...especially at a site like that.

It's in the eye of the beholder on the design...I can even change my view of it from week to week: when you're at the site its sheer scale is breathtaking - something you dont get off videos and still images from any angle. The design is almost secondary when you see it at near distance. You're too busy being gobsmacked by the scale and therefore anything looks great.

This sounds reasonable. Designs will speak more to some than to others. There are a few details of the stadium I'm not really fussed on, but as a whole I think it is a great job. Especially given the constraints on the site and the outside influences (heritage bods). It doesn't look generic, it's uniquely ours.

You've recognised something there too, so how can he be completely the wrong choice for Meis to have designed it?

Other times I look at it and I see a huge leisure centre with a futuristic roof...especially at the north and south stands.

It's why I get so het up about the lighting. IMO we need this to be absolutely spot on to maximise the stadium's visual statement.

Then we go to this and it just seems at this moment in time you're suffering from split personality disorder. The lighting might look better when fully customised and if not it will be one of the simpler and cheapest modifications we can do. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Go back to the first paragraph you wrote and be happy that we have what we have and to be around at this monumental period in our history.

 

[Gilbert..]

Overall the outcome is very good, just short of miraculous. I never believed this club could pull that stadium off...especially at a site like that.

It's in the eye of the beholder on the design...I can even change my view of it from week to week: when you're at the site its sheer scale is breathtaking - something you dont get off videos and still images from any angle. The design is almost secondary when you see it at near distance. You're too busy being gobsmacked by the scale and therefore anything looks great.

Other times I look at it and I see a huge leisure centre with a futuristic roof...especially at the north and south stands.

It's why I get so het up about the lighting. IMO we need this to be absolutely spot on to maximise the stadium's visual statement.

I feel dirty but i get that. Ive drove past a few times and thought its not smacking Everton at me in the face.
Its a little gripe that wont spoil it for me. But if its ever mentioned i sort of just of just say to myself i can see that pov.

 

[davek]

Feel you're getting a bit of unfair stick here tbh Dave. I love how it looks in the main, but there's small details that bother me. The fact you can see through a bit of the roof when the lights are on annoys me a bit, and the lighting isn't great, though I'm sure it will at least be adjusted.

Overall I'm more than happy with it though, and I know that the small things that bother me won't bother others. I'd never be bothered if somebody said they didn't like how it looks though. How could I be? It's entirely subjective and you're never gonna please everybody with something like this.

Exactly mate.

There's pride we all have in this stadium, but there's some blowhards who think that any sort of questioning of any aspect of the build is like taking your kecks down and ting in their cornflakes.

A bizarre fanaticism IMO.

 

[davek]

This sounds reasonable. Designs will speak more to some than to others. There are a few details of the stadium I'm not really fussed on, but as a whole I think it is a great job. Especially given the constraints on the site and the outside influences (heritage bods). It doesn't look generic, it's uniquely ours.
You've recognised something there too, so how can he be completely the wrong choice for Meis to have designed it?
Then we go to this and it just seems at this moment in time you're suffering from split personality disorder. The lighting might look better when fully customised and if not it will be one of the simpler and cheapest modifications we can do. Don't sweat the small stuff. Go back to the first paragraph you wrote and be happy that we have what we have and to be around at this monumental period in our history.

I am. That's my overriding emotion on this stadium. It's a great step forward and anyone who argues otherwise are clearly talking out of their rear end.

I dont just blame Meis (for some of what I see as faults) though; the conservation groups take their share of the blame for not allowing us to build in a different way.

 

[adi dassler]

Meis has been a poor choice for a designer. There's no question about that.

Just because you don't like the design of the stadium, there are many, many more who love it. Design is subjective, you're opinion isn't fact.

And as for the lighting, as @Goat said that may have been one of the many areas where there has had to be some rationalisation due to cost constraints. For a build like this a feature lighting consultant would have been employed, so I don't see why you're trying to blame Meis.

 

[davek]

Just because you don't like the design of the stadium, there are many, many more who love it. Design is subjective, you're opinion isn't fact.

And as for the lighting, as @Goat said that may have been one of the many areas where there has had to be some rationalisation due to cost constraints. For a build like this a feature lighting consultant would have been employed, so I don't see why you're trying to blame Meis.

I'm not blaming Meis for the lighting.

 

[Drico]

Yes, I am pleased I'm not the only one who feels a little underwhelmed by the North and South stands from the outside. But, as I said, a decorative fit out can certainly improve those - and even the golden yellow lighting on the rim of the upper cladding immediately brought to mind Alan Ball in 1970. So, I have my little bug bears too (please paint the roof below the silver structure a uniform colour and hide those stains!), but overall this is undeniably magnificent. The stepped wharf is particularly superb.

 

[Dale187801]

anyone know how much credit per game you get in the club view seats. Iv sat on half way line of top balc for years so frustrating that seems like will need to pay more, you be worth it though depending on what you get back