New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

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kenada_blue said:
Define "survive" though?

Koeman and Silva were booed out because we expected to compete with the top of the table after spending high and didn't.

If Emery was there, you'd think the same would happen especially with the interference by Moshiri and Kenwright on player transfers.

You just have to look at Ancelotti getting the absolute maximum out of that squad and he got 10th.

However, as the league is now shaped to be that you need to spend £200mill just to get near the top 8...if we'd been a bit patient and gave a manager 2-3 years, you never know.

You'd think we may not be in the situation we've been in.
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Let’s not rewrite history we were in the relegation zone when Koeman was sacked same with silva hardly hovering round 4th place
 

matty1878 said:
i rated
silva :(
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Again, look at the expectations based on that, then the results and what was happening. We couldn't defend set pieces, lost to most of the promoted teams, pumped 5.2 in the derby.

But he had injuries, luck, and players he didn't really want. We sold Gana and brought in Gbamin and Delph for example.

From recalling articles on his sackings, he threw the towel in when Brands (who wanted to keep him) and Moshiri went to Finch Farm for talks. The players we're also luke warm to him.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing and we did turn on him..
 
Silva wasn't up to it. We lost 6-2 at home to Spurs, for heaven's sake, and got embarrassed by Millwall. He had his chance and sank without a trace. And to think of the effort, expense, and reputational damage Moshiri went to to get him in the first place...

Koeman was worse. He should never have been appointed in the first place. His record didn't merit it. He was more interested in resting on his playing laurels and playing golf.

We sacked every manager we sacked for very good reasons. However, we took too long to sack each and every one of them - and the biggest mistake of all was appointing them in the first place.
 
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Drico said:
Silva wasn't up to it. We lost 6-2 at home to Spurs, for heaven's sake, and got embarrassed by Millwall. He had his chance and sank without a trace. And to think of the effort, expense, and reputational damage Moshiri went to to get him in the first place...

Koeman was worse. He should never have been appointed in the first place. His record didn't merit it. He was more interested in resting on his playing laurels and playing golf.

We sacked every manager we sacked for very good reasons. However, we took too long to sack each and every one of them - and the biggest mistake of all was appointing them in the first place.
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Nothing you've said is wrong. But is that sacking them because we weren't competing or because we genuinely looked like being relegated?

Because after Koeman, Big Scam cruised to 8th. After Silva, Carlo easily got us away from the relegation zone.

We also didn't really get the bigger picture behind the scenes.

Post Carlo, the drop, money, and PSR came into play where we sacked managers because of genuine fear of relegation.
 
kenada_blue said:
Nothing you've said is wrong. But is that sacking them because we weren't competing or because we genuinely looked like being relegated?

Because after Koeman, Big Scam cruised to 8th. After Silva, Carlo easily got us away from the relegation zone.

We also didn't really get the bigger picture behind the scenes.

Post Carlo, the drop, money, and PSR came into play where we sacked managers because of genuine fear of relegation.
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Koeman and Silva at their worst had us looking like we could fall into the Championship. David Unsworth took over after Koeman and we were battered at Southampton. When Allardyce was mooted we were in desperate straits. So, yeah, fear of relegation was definitely a factor. I vividly recall fearing it.

Allardyce was the exception. He quickly built on Unsworth's single win and had us safe in a month. His failure was to genuinely build on that - but his was the one sacking that was premature/unfair. I mean, we shouldn't have had to hire him in the first place, but Koeman had done such a terrible job that, yeah, people feared the worst - especially as Unsworth then went into a tail-spin. Allardyce did a competent job - but was the wrong fit.
 
Drico said:
Koeman and Silva at their worst had us looking like we could fall into the Championship. David Unsworth took over after Koeman and we were battered at Southampton. When Allardyce was mooted we were in desperate straits. So, yeah, fear of relegation was definitely a factor. I vividly recall fearing it.

Allardyce was the exception. He quickly built on Unsworth's single win and had us safe in a month. His failure was to genuinely build on that - but his was the one sacking that was premature/unfair. I mean, we shouldn't have had to hire him in the first place, but Koeman had done such a terrible job that, yeah, people feared the worst - especially as Unsworth then went into a tail-spin. Allardyce did a competent job - but was the wrong fit.
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But don't you think it was a bit panic button stuff because we'd not been around there for knocking on 15 years?

And I was the same as you said at the time. But comparing on reflection...they weren't anywhere near as bad as the past 3 seasons we've recently had.

And possibly Silva was the one you'd think...let's ride it out.

By the by now like. I just see the money we could've saved on compo 😂
 

kenada_blue said:
But don't you think it was a bit panic button stuff because we'd not been around there for knocking on 15 years?

And I was the same as you said at the time. But comparing on reflection...they weren't anywhere near as bad as the past 3 seasons we've recently had.

And possibly Silva was the one you'd think...let's ride it out.

By the by now like. I just see the money we could've saved on compo 😂
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There was definitely panic. But I don't think that was unjustified. We were an abject shambles. We lost five matches out of 6 in September-October 2019, then four in a row in November-December, which led to Silva's sacking. This was a serious decline from the previous season where we finished eighth - but only after going on a late-season run when our objectives had already been destroyed by some terrible form. We, basically, put a shine on his first full season by winning a series of matches after we'd already blown our season. So, the decline from even that the following season was deeply concerning.

I wouldn't have ridden it out. He'd been backed and failed - and nothing he has done since tells me that Everton wasn't or won't be the peak of his career.

The last three seasons are obviously worse, though - but mainly because the full damage of Moshiri's mismanagement has only been confronted in these recent years. PSR murdered us. His absentee landlordism has killed us. The sale that never completes might yet finish us.
 
Carsley has previously worked at Sheffield United, Brentford and Coventry as assistant then caretaker.

He was Man City Under 18 manager before England appointment so he has experience to manage.

So he knows day to day football, managed even tho at a lower level and he is very highly thought of.

This is a huge job for anyone and I just hope we can get the right appointment fast
 
mccole said:
Carsley has previously worked at Sheffield United, Brentford and Coventry as assistant then caretaker.

He was Man City Under 18 manager before England appointment so he has experience to manage.

So he knows day to day football, managed even tho at a lower level and he is very highly thought of.

This is a huge job for anyone and I just hope we can get the right appointment fast
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Would people want him here if he had not played for Everton?
 
Drico said:
Koeman and Silva at their worst had us looking like we could fall into the Championship. David Unsworth took over after Koeman and we were battered at Southampton. When Allardyce was mooted we were in desperate straits. So, yeah, fear of relegation was definitely a factor. I vividly recall fearing it.

Allardyce was the exception. He quickly built on Unsworth's single win and had us safe in a month. His failure was to genuinely build on that - but his was the one sacking that was premature/unfair. I mean, we shouldn't have had to hire him in the first place, but Koeman had done such a terrible job that, yeah, people feared the worst - especially as Unsworth then went into a tail-spin. Allardyce did a competent job - but was the wrong fit.
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Bit of context for koeman (who I’m glad we sacked but feel people forget the start he had to the season).

He had 8 points from 9 games. (So only 1 point worse than Dyche this season and 1 point more than Dyche last season).

Having played Man City, Chelsea, spurs, man United and Arsenal.

They were the teams that finished 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 the season before. The only other game he lost was to Burnley who actually finished 7th that season.

I didn’t like Koeman but after finishing 7th and losing Lukaku, 9 games with those fixtures looks like a harsh sacking, especially compared to the time given to our managers since.
 

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