2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[TheBigIguana]

I don't think you remember correctly, given how Iwobi and Silva were with us for about 10 (mostly dreadful) games - Lampard faced a bit more flak for it* I think and Iwobi himself had a mini-feud with Ancelotti about his position randomly, but he was mostly dreadful for us.

Also the loudest criticism for this was and always will be @TheBigIguana I think, so you more or less fell for that discussion being brought up on here every day or two. Outside of Big Iggo, the biggest critic of "where Iwobi is being played" was Iwobi.

* EDIT: In that Lampard team Iwobi was genuinely better through the middle imho, but it honestly means nothing as it was another dreadful period.

Silva’s issue as I recall it was less Iwobi’s position and more having Gylfi Sigurdsson (am I allowed to type his name here again?) on the pitch. I wanted Iwobi at 10 at that point more for the knock on of it meaning Sigurdsson wouldn’t be.

Yeah later on Carlo, and then Lampard and Dyche, decided he was a right sided player which he never ever was. I feel it’s fairly similar to McNeil now in that he when you play a largely one footed player on the side where their strong foot is only able to play around the outside that player can be easily snuffed out of the game. Iwobi needed to be elsewhere, as shown by his fairly decent Fulham form playing elsewhere, the same as McNeil always has needed to as shown by his decent form currently.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Silva’s issue as I recall it was less Iwobi’s position and more having Gylfi Sigurdsson (am I allowed to type his name here again?) on the pitch. I wanted Iwobi at 10 at that point more for the knock on of it meaning Sigurdsson wouldn’t be.

Yeah later on Carlo, and then Lampard and Dyche, decided he was a right sided player which he never ever was. I feel it’s fairly similar to McNeil now in that he when you play a largely one footed player on the side where their strong foot is only able to play around the outside that player can be easily snuffed out of the game. Iwobi needed to be elsewhere, as shown by his fairly decent Fulham form playing elsewhere, the same as McNeil always has needed to as shown by his decent form currently.

Like clockwork.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Like clockwork.

I think at this point this is just an obvious truth? Or do we still want to pretend he was well suited to right wing back?

 

[John from Bootle]

I think at this point this is just an obvious truth? Or do we still want to pretend he was well suited to right wing back?

For me, he's they type of player suited to playing in a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3.

I'd never have put him in ahead of Gylfi at number 10 though. He doesn't score enough. He's scored 24 PL goals in 264 appearances. Compared to Gylfi who scored 60 in 300 PL appearances. Gylfi got one more PL goal at Everton than Iwobi has managed in his entire PL career.

 

[TheBigIguana]

For me, he's they type of player suited to playing in a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3.

I'd never have put him in ahead of Gylfi at number 10 though. He doesn't score enough. He's scored 24 PL goals in 264 appearances. Compared to Gylfi who scored 60 in 300 PL appearances. Gylfi got one more PL goal at Everton than Iwobi has managed in his entire PL career.

Depends on how you set up your team. The problem was Gylfi was not doing enough midfielding to be called a midfielder at that point. And so if you’re more honest about what he was doing, which was essentially being an additional striker, that record kinda stinks and that’s without diving into how many were penalties.

I’ll stand by that Silva was turning a corner by dropping Sigurdsson and then Bernard got hurt which caused him to come back and tank our form again.

 

[Nymzee]

True enough, but there comes a point where players have to be taken out of the starting line-up on principle, and I'd say DCL has been there for a few weeks now.

That’s fine but take them out for a player that fits Dyche’s system.

 

[davids]

It's been over 7 years since Lukaku played for us. James couldn't even make a full season, which is his MO.

You ever watch him play for us,the Derby at the pit? Rubbish player?

 

[Blue peter]

What do we think about Thomas Frank as a Manager? Do we consider him a clever operator?

More like a smooooth operatorrrr

 

[John from Bootle]

Depends on how you set up your team. The problem was Gylfi was not doing enough midfielding to be called a midfielder at that point. And so if you’re more honest about what he was doing, which was essentially being an additional striker, that record kinda stinks and that’s without diving into how many were penalties.

I’ll stand by that Silva was turning a corner by dropping Sigurdsson and then Bernard got hurt which caused him to come back and tank our form again.

Oh Gylfi definitely underwhelmed for most of his time here, I still wouldn't have swapped him for Iwobi though. But hey, maybe I'm looking at it as the player he was then and appeared to be, he's certainly doing well for himself these days and he's scored a third of his all time PL goals in the last one and a bit seasons. He's just never convinced me in front of goal, but he seems to be improving.

 

[pfim]

You ever watch him play for us,the Derby at the pit? Rubbish player?

I never once said that. I said we spent a lot of money on mediocre and bad players. We did. Of course we had good players come through here, not enough.

 

[twoblue]

Ah, the old pretending to be a balanced poster while referring to anyone who disagreed with you as a "scorched earther" move. Nice.
Never trust anyone who says they are trying to bring "balance" to an argument as the very concept of balance is subjective. Balancing what exactly? 50% of popular opinion on one side and 50% of popular opinion on the other? What was the methodology for the data collection phase of the critical analysis process? You talk about the scorched earthers not being able to provide evidence beyond an opinion so let's see your evidence, please, peer-reviewed would of course be the gold standard rather than a graph knocked together by Football Insider.

You seem to think I am balanced here…
You expect me to go through posts and find a bunch of ‘scorched earthers’ comments that are that angry with club that want to make changes with litterally no plan on how to improve things … it’s more anecdotal evidence… exhibit A

Despite not liking Dyche (an understatement), I definitely wouldn't trust the average Evertonian to replace them, myself included. The three you have chosen to highlight being excellent examples. There is a weird nostalgia in the fanbase, hence all the old boys getting votes in the poll. I'd add Carsley and Moyes to that list, too. I wouldn't want them either. But nobody should pay any attention to what I, or you, or any fan group says. It should be left to proper professionals, unfortunately we don't have any of those and, looking at the shenanigans at Roma recently, I'm not sure TFG do either. It's all very concerning.

 

[chicoazul]

Would we say Thomas Frank has an astute footballing mind guys?

 

[matty1878]

Would we say Thomas Frank has an astute footballing mind guys?

compared to dunce? indeed

 

[windymiller]

You seem to think I am balanced here…
You expect me to go through posts and find a bunch of ‘scorched earthers’ comments that are that angry with club that want to make changes with litterally no plan on how to improve things … it’s more anecdotal evidence… exhibit A

I've no idea what you're gibbering on about, bud. I said you weren't balanced. I suggested that you are the antipode of the very scorched earthers you are railing against and this most recent post supports that hypothesis. You're a parody and it's funny that you don't recognise that. I want rid of Dyche, that makes me a scorched earther according to you which seems like an overstatement not a balanced view.

 

[Lob]

This is the arguement on here:

“Dychettes” - actually all think he is the best option until the new owners come in.
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“Scorched earther” want Dyche out now, and replaced by anyone, no one could be worse. Anyone would do better with this squad. No I can’t name anyone that would want the post with current ownership, no investment guarenteed… but it is not my job… yeah that would be moshiri’s job?

Balance and perspective. There is no one versus another. Dychettes are a very small minority.