2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[blackie_jones75]

It’s on the manager this style and approach. Players can adapt to different styles, they are professional footballers and are more than capable of pass and move on the deck and not just hoofing it to an isolated striker. Martinez did it with a Moyes team . Martinez also did it with a Swansea league 1 team that were used to hoofing it under Kenny Jacket. Sh**e league one players who suddenly started playing exciting football out from the back on the deck and being printed through the divisions… so our current team are more than capable of playing a more expansive front foot style… just need the right manager

 

[Drico]

Surely his job is now done here. He has steered us from the drop last season and did what he's known for. Respect for that tooHowever we are no longer relegation fodder so i'd assume his purpose is now served. We need a new boss to kick on from that now surely? There was no need for that horrible sit back approach yesterday, purely ridiculous being at home to a team just 3 points above us. I can't see change though until the Freidkins take the keys, then i'd expect pretty rapid activity.

Oh, we are relegation fodder until the takeover completes and the Friedkins flash the cash.

Dyche has no future at the club...but neither does the vast majority of the playing staff.

 

[MikeH72]

Oh, we are relegation fodder until the takeover completes and the Friedkins flash the cash.

Dyche has no future at the club...but neither does the vast majority of the playing staff.

This is a Dyche-created narrative that I don’t buy into whatsoever. We are a mid table team as shown last season. This league is crap and full of dross, we should not be scrapping with the likes of Ipswich and Leicester.

 

[blulouie]

Someone mad a great point before, with apologies I meant to quote it, about Everton finishing around the same points as Fulham last season but now we’re laying down to their superiority. Which is fair and probably taps into why the most aggrieved in this thread feel as they do. I’m a little more pragmatic, but doesn’t mean I’m right.

Would just be nice to see Everton the play front foot football Evertonians demand again, giving a Manager decent resources will help that. As much as anyone I’m not too comfy in accepting thirty odd percent possession at home to crumby teams even if I advocate for patience with Dyche right now. Fairs fair.

SAY IT .

 

[blueboy72]

And the first 4 had Brighton, as well as Spurs and Villa away, too.

Top half teams but more likely 2 out 3 will finish 6th to 10th. Still had a comfortable start. Bournemouth have had Villa and Newcastle, but also arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea and sit 3 points above us, Fulham also sit 3 ahead and have played. Have had Newcastle and Villa plus city and Utd. Brentford 4 points ahead, have had city, Liverpool, Utd and spurs all away from home.

 

[Drico]

This is a Dyche-created narrative that I don’t buy into whatsoever. We are a mid table team as shown last season. This league is crap and full of dross, we should not be scrapping with the likes of Ipswich and Leicester.

We've spent the least amount of money on players of ALL Premier League clubs in the last five years. We very much ARE fodder and such a policy weakens us vis-a-vis other clubs and ourselves inexorably. If we were mid-table last year (and we weren't, in reality, thanks to a points deduction that mutilated our season), then full credit to the manager. He has done a solid job in very trying circumstances. He has to go - and soon - but anybody thinking the likes of Michael Keane, Ashley Young, Jack Harrison, old man Gueye, Beto, Mykolenko, a declining Tarkowski, and Shrek's Donkey are going to prosper under a sexier or better manager is largely delusional.

COMPLETE reboot required.

 

[efcste97]

I wouldn't be opposed to it if TFG sanctioned it.

I don't think his brand of football has any longevity at a club like ours. Offering him a new contract would be a waste of time and money

 

[blueboy72]

I think weve seen Dyche use both front foot (Joe Royle style) and ultra defensive (Allardyce) tactics and a few derivatives of both.

To be honest, I dont care which style we use -- though I loved watching us under Royle. I care about us winning.

For a basic example look at Mourinho at Madrid and Pep at Barca. What I think is that IF we used Mourinho / Dyche / Simeone type anti-football tactics then we have a GREATER chance of getting towards the top of the table...

...playing teams like City, Villa, RS, Arsenal and even Brighton at their own game probably would cost a fortune in new signings and of course a far different manager.

I doubt £200mil* in 4 top starting players (as an example) would get us into that top 4 or top 6 bracket.

However, if we had those players under an anti-football manager like Mourinho et al then I reckon we may be in with a chance.


*taking note that is unrealistic as we need 50% squad rebuild in the summer.


TLDR: Anti-football with some top additions may get us further up the table than playing teams at their own game.

Plays like Royle I stopped reading after that.

 

[COYBL25]

The ones right at the centre of it aren’t just Dyche out. They’ve wanted every manager out. They’ve not posted a single positive post in the years they’ve been on the forum. Gleefully proclaiming impending relegation yet disappear when we win games and can’t even enjoy a derby win. As soon as we’re linked with a new manager they’ll be against him as well, and if they’re not immediately they’ll give it until he loses his first game and then start the campaign.

This is untrue.

You say “ the ones right at the centre of it “ have wanted every manager out and post nothing positive.

Lampard was universally backed by virtually everyone on the whole forum, with the notable exceptions of the forums very own Josef Stalin and the forums very own Maharishi Yogi ( who by some strange coincidence are also two of the most banned posters on the forum )

This universal backing for Frank continued, even when it became obvious that he was failing and was on his way out.

The difference was, that albeit Lampards footballing methods ultimately failed, the fans could see what he was trying to do, he engaged with the fans and made every effort to get them on board with him.

This bought him time and even towards the end, very few were calling for his head, even though it was obvious that something had to give, as we were in big trouble.

So this notion of yours, that there’s some kind of cabal of posters on here, who are actively waiting and wanting to do each and every manager in just isn’t true.

 

[MikeH72]

We've spent the least amount of money on players of ALL Premier League clubs in the last five years. We very much ARE fodder and such a policy weakens us vis-a-vis other clubs and ourselves inexorably. If we were mid-table last year (and we weren't, in reality, thanks to a points deduction that mutilated our season), then full credit to the manager. He has done a solid job in very trying circumstances. He has to go - and soon - but anybody thinking the likes of Michael Keane, Ashley Young, Jack Harrison, old man Gueye, Beto, Mykolenko, a declining Tarkowski, and Shrek's Donkey are going to prosper under a sexier or better manager is largely delusional.

COMPLETE reboot required.

Using the last 5 years again is a fallacy because 3 of those have spent at least one season outside the top flight, for one of them it’s their first season in here. So those teams were starting from a much lower base than us, and I would bet our wage bill absolutely dwarfs theirs. We’ve had an advantage of having a Premier League quality squad during a time when they were in the lower divisions and trying to build back up. There is no possible way you can spin this where you can make our team on the same level as Southampton, Leicester and Ipswich, I’m sorry.

 

[Bebeto]

This squad is better than last year.
Fulham have lost their 3 best players from there spine in 2 years

It is a better squad, marginally, but the level in the league is higher. Our first 11 is decent compare to many teams, but it is our bench that is so short of quality, especially nowadays with the 5 changes.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

A stain on the club. Dark times.

Said it the other day mate, once he's gone he should be erased from our history just like Benitez.

 

[blueboy72]

Using the last 5 years again is a fallacy because 3 of those have spent at least one season outside the top flight, for one of them it’s their first season in here. So those teams were starting from a much lower base than us, and I would bet our wage bill absolutely dwarfs theirs. We’ve had an advantage of having a Premier League quality squad during a time when they were in the lower divisions and trying to build back up. There is no possible way you can spin this where you can make our team on the same level as Southampton, Leicester and Ipswich, I’m sorry.

Didn’t Ipswich last week have 6 or 7 players in their 11 that had played in league 1??

 

[Drico]

Using the last 5 years again is a fallacy because 3 of those have spent at least one season outside the top flight, for one of them it’s their first season in here. So those teams were starting from a much lower base than us, and I would bet our wage bill absolutely dwarfs theirs. There is no possible way you can spin this where you can make our team on the same level as Southampton, Leicester and Ipswich, I’m sorry.

So, fourth-worst then. I don't need to spin that. Our players will do that for us.

And the narrative you talk about wasn't spun by Dyche - who definitely prospers from it. It was created by Frank Lampard who proved how bad these players can be. And since then we have actually sold most of the more valuable ones... Diminishing returns.

Dyche has no future at the club. 40% possession against Fulham at home isn't acceptable. But make no mistake - our players are footballing doggerel. We may be better than Southampton, Ipswich, and Leicester (over the long haul), but I don't see this squad as anything other than a collection of dross, cobbled together in a crisis by multiple managers in the most chaotic era of of our modern history.

Once we are safe this season, I don't care. THEN we can restart. Moshiri out, Dyche out, Thelwell out, squad OUT!

 

[blueboy72]

It is a better squad, marginally, but the level in the league is higher. Our first 11 is decent compare to many teams, but it is our bench that is so short of quality, especially nowadays with the 5 changes.

No when we have a fully fit squad