6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Mashtray]

Here he is again.

"For the greater good" lol

The greater good sure pays well

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Here he is again.

"For the greater good" lol

As @ForeverBlue92 put it yesterday - football is the opium of the masses.

Too many doped up to see the woods from the trees. As for the likes of Mr Cross, he supports one of the 6 cabal clubs and instead of having some dignity plays to the gallery of betas who are happy with a pat on the heed for being "good" boys by selling the family silver to guarantee midtable in the PL.

Sooner we're out of this shambles of a competition the better. Beg Perez to let us join his euro super league - anything must be more legitimate than the current pantomime that is the PL.

 

[MikeH72]

As @ForeverBlue92 put it yesterday - football is the opium of the masses.

Too many doped up to see the woods from the trees. As for the likes of Mr Cross, he supports one of the 6 cabal clubs and instead of having some dignity plays to the gallery of betas who are happy with a pat on the heed for being "good" boys by selling the family silver to guarantee midtable in the PL.

Sooner we're out of this shambles of a competition the better. Beg Perez to let us join his euro super league - anything must be more legitimate than the current pantomime that is the PL.

lol what the hell

 

[gwladysnight]

There is so much that I have learned over the past couple of weeks that make me absolutely livid about this city bs.

First of all you giving the best possible defense team ever organized in sport over 3 years to prepare for a case. That's ofcourse not a massive help.

Also. Hypothetically, if they get punished it will be under a completely new PSR framework, with different penalties.

We are 100% done in with a house of cards style framework that has simply been quickly drawn together

Masters said that the policy has been in place for a decade and in decade not one club has been guilty? BS. Suddenly I'm hearing all clubs are watching their PSR levels right now. Even so called well run clubs like Arsenal, just shows you that for the first time many clubs are worried simply because we got punished

The one question I was very happy to hear being asked is if we are being cracked down on to show strength in their own governance so I'm very haply it got asked and hopefully it appears to be visible to outside world

Feels more like we were at the wrong place wrong time with so many factors going wrong.

The reason why clubs haven't fallen foul of PSR is that it is incredibly difficult thing to do. The way amortisation and player trading works means it is an absolute doddle to stay within PSR. That is why it is absolutely baffling that Moshiri has managed it twice.

In relation to City they haven't been given three years to prepare their case. They refused to cooperate and then spent years on frivolous legal challenges that have failed.

 

[John from Bootle]

The reason why clubs haven't fallen foul of PSR is that it is incredibly difficult thing to do. The way amortisation and player trading works means it is an absolute doddle to stay within PSR. That is why it is absolutely baffling that Moshiri has managed it twice.

In relation to City they haven't been given three years to prepare their case. They refused to cooperate and then spent years on frivolous legal challenges that have failed.

Mate, this will be the 6th time I've asked you now: Do you think a 10 point penalty is fair?

Almost seems like you don't want to answer that question...

 

[Groucho]

Remember when I used to say the finance side of football is dull as ditchwater and the calculator geeks will kill the game as a competitive sport?

Well here we are.

 

[the_toffees_bosnia]

just leave us die in peace...

 

[Ferguson1878]

He is the Chairman of the EFL and was there to get grilled by the select committee.

yous all hate him now don’t yous after he sold up to gillette and hicks ?

 

[Mashtray]

The reason why clubs haven't fallen foul of PSR is that it is incredibly difficult thing to do. The way amortisation and player trading works means it is an absolute doddle to stay within PSR. That is why it is absolutely baffling that Moshiri has managed it twice.

In relation to City they haven't been given three years to prepare their case. They refused to cooperate and then spent years on frivolous legal challenges that have failed.

you are attempting to be logical in your arguments, but our charge is illogical, this is the problem

The gravity of it
The timing of it
The speed of it

we are on a silver platter for the premier league to demonstrate its power in response to a independent regulator,

we ALL know we have been mismanaged, but to be honest there are some serious unfortunate circumstances, player x, stadium costs rising 3-4 times, a perfectly legal naming rights contract that we had to kill

 

[GS Blue - LIVERPOOL FAN]

Any FFP rules shouldn’t restrict how much you invest, just how you do it. It makes sense to limit a club’s borrowing so they aren’t saddled with debt long-term but if owners want to inject money themselves that doesn’t threaten the club’s ability to operate as a going concern that should be fine. Clubs should be made to be able to demonstrate they have the reserves to meet their obligations. That would be fairer than saying you can’t spend your money because your revenues aren’t big enough. This would mean the small clubs could compete though which is what the PL don’t want. Surely people with clout will highlight this at some point.

But what happens if the owners then walk away and the club is committed to increased regular outgoings that can't be met by money the business generates organically?

The business model needs be sustainable to prevent the risks of clubs going to the wall if a benefactor has enough of his plaything and no longer wants to throw his own money into a club.

 

[matty1878]

Thinking of booking a trip. Is it all inclusive?

it is!

 

[gwladysnight]

Mate, this will be the 6th time I've asked you now: Do you think a 10 point penalty is fair?

Almost seems like you don't want to answer that question...

I think the moment Moshiri decided to break PSR rules then a hefty points penalty was inevitable. I think we were always likely to get between 6 and 12 points depending on mitigating and aggravating factors. Moshiris midfielder comments and trying it on with what the commercial loans were spent on meant we were always going to be at the harsher end of the range of punishments.

I think it is really harsh on the club and the fans but the moment Moshiri decided to disregard PSR we were always going to be in trouble. That is why I think we should be blaming Moshiri and the board. If we had done the right thing and then got relegated because say Leicester had ignored PSR I would want the book thrown at them.

Or fast forward to the end of the season imagine us being relegated because the Premier League thinks it is harsh to punish Forest.

 

[matty1878]

I know Matty, I just fear it will be out of his hands.

and what he’s here for more mate

he must know they’re is a genuine chance
or why would he do it?

( i know money ) but he’s got a rep you would think?

 

[HowardsWay]

Here he is again.

"For the greater good" lol

He followed it up with this:

 

[TyphooToffee]

I imagine we'll get 5 points back, setting a precedent, then have them taken away again for the second transgression.