6 + 2 Point Deductions


ToffeeTim said:
And again the question is, should a team who are taking out loans to try and get their finances back in order, really be punished under sustainability rules? Especially at a time when interest rates rose significantly - are we not allowed mitigation on rate rises since they are outside our control.
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That isn't correct though we were paying payday loan rates when interest rates were at historical lows. We were doing that because traditional lenders saw us as a terrible risk because we were only a going concern because a rich owner was pumping money into the club.

The whole point of fair play and PSR rules is to protect clubs from reckless owners. Even with us having to sell players, even with us having to reign in spending on players, we are still a billion pounds in debt. Imagine how bad that would be if Moshiri had been allowed free reign to go on mismanaging the club.

The club owes money all over the place and we still need to find 100's of millions to finish the Stadium. Yet people still want to back the board and pretend it is a massive conspiracy to get poor little Everton. It is nuts.
 
hallamblue said:
If the minimum is 6 points, which is what the PL suggested, it'll be 6.
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So we could get 4 points back from the first one. Then get given 6 again for this one. It wouldn’t be fair but I think we would still manage to stay up. If we don’t get any points back and are given an extra 10 points deduction I think we are doomed.
 

hallamblue said:
Select Committees sre the only time you see MPs actually doing their job properly.
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Ive watched a few of them in the last few years as the industry i was involved in were sat before them a few times. Its staggering how so many of them havent got a clue. There are some decent ones who know their stuff but you to often get ones who just toe the party line and want to sound good. But dont. Esp the tory ones.
 
kenada_blue said:


Yes they did complain. Steve Parish has even said there's been issues with it from the clubs especially the rolling 3 years.

"Spending within your means" re-enforces the idea that it's a closed shop of top 6 who have more means. None of whom gained them within FFP rules.

Every other club then can't get near them unless they follow a model Brighton are doing (but low, sell high) but that still isn't getting them through the ceiling and won't do unless they keep their best players and add. But that doesn't happen when Chelsea buy one of them for money you can't turn down.

And the wheels keep spinning.
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How they want it.

Let’s see how Villa get on in the next couple of years. Doubt they will be in the position they are in now. Even Brighton are struggling to kick on to the next level as you have mentioned. Leicester won the league and are now in the championship. They like to bang the drum on how competitive the league is but besides the odd result here and there it couldn’t be further from the truth.

I think it was Neville that suggested it a while back, every club should be able to spend the same amount as the club that makes the highest revenue in the league. Then it’s down to the owners if they want to or not.

They won’t introduce a salary cap or a cap on transfers because it’ll eventually stop the best players coming to the league.
 
Toffe3m4n said:
'It just seems fishy to me'

Whoever that MP was who grilled Masters there over our points deduction is a hero lol
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Dr Rupa Huq, Labour MP for Ealing. Had Masters squirming when trying to explain how an open sanctions policy with absolutely no defined criteria could possibly be clear and fair. His only reply was that it was what the clubs voted for. I think the 'Super Silk' will have a field day with this at the appeal.
 
Tony101 said:
So we could get 4 points back from the first one. Then get given 6 again for this one. It wouldn’t be fair but I think we would still manage to stay up. If we don’t get any points back and are given an extra 10 points deduction I think we are doomed.
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Extra 10 would make it difficult but if we got 10 Forest would get more
 

gwladysnight said:
That isn't correct though we were paying payday loan rates when interest rates were at historical lows. We were doing that because traditional lenders saw us as a terrible risk because we were only a going concern because a rich owner was pumping money into the club.

The whole point of fair play and PSR rules is to protect clubs from reckless owners. Even with us having to sell players, even with us having to reign in spending on players, we are still a billion pounds in debt. Imagine how bad that would be if Moshiri had been allowed free reign to go on mismanaging the club.

The club owes money all over the place and we still need to find 100's of millions to finish the Stadium. Yet people still want to back the board and pretend it is a massive conspiracy to get poor little Everton. It is nuts.
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The idea I backed the board is absolutely nonsense. I have been critical of the board, of Moshiri and of the general running of the club for many years. And I have been exasperated at the difficulty we've had in convincing large portions of our fan base that we needed change.

But these things are two very seperate issues:

Do I think we have been ran dreadfully over many years? Absolutely yes.

Do I blame the leadership of the club for mismangement? 100% yes.

But do I also believe that our treatment from the PL has been disgraceful? Yes

Do I also believe that the harshest penalty in top flight history is grossly unjust? Absolutely Yes.

Happy to have cleared all this up.
 
Simon Buttle said:
Then why have the PL not said to 777 'here is a date (insert date) answer the questions by this date or sod off basically'
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777s brown envelopes aren’t big enough - simple as that.

How the sale sham is still being allowed to drag on with those cowboys is beyond me - moshiri should have moved onto alternative buyers by now.

There is a delicious irony that a corrupt, defunct organisation like the premier league has the ability and temerity to label anyone as not being fit and proper (even when they are!) and they can’t even seem to do that properly or efficiently. 🤣🤣🤣
 
gwladysnight said:
That isn't correct though we were paying payday loan rates when interest rates were at historical lows. We were doing that because traditional lenders saw us as a terrible risk because we were only a going concern because a rich owner was pumping money into the club.

The whole point of fair play and PSR rules is to protect clubs from reckless owners. Even with us having to sell players, even with us having to reign in spending on players, we are still a billion pounds in debt. Imagine how bad that would be if Moshiri had been allowed free reign to go on mismanaging the club.

The club owes money all over the place and we still need to find 100's of millions to finish the Stadium. Yet people still want to back the board and pretend it is a massive conspiracy to get poor little Everton. It is nuts.
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In debt due to the stadium.

We've already secured funding to complete the stadium.
 
gwladysnight said:
That isn't correct though we were paying payday loan rates when interest rates were at historical lows. We were doing that because traditional lenders saw us as a terrible risk because we were only a going concern because a rich owner was pumping money into the club.

The whole point of fair play and PSR rules is to protect clubs from reckless owners. Even with us having to sell players, even with us having to reign in spending on players, we are still a billion pounds in debt. Imagine how bad that would be if Moshiri had been allowed free reign to go on mismanaging the club.

The club owes money all over the place and we still need to find 100's of millions to finish the Stadium. Yet people still want to back the board and pretend it is a massive conspiracy to get poor little Everton. It is nuts.
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Who is backing the board Baileyjon you weird little gimp?
 

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