VAR

[deipnosophist]

Exactly
The Referee controls the game - the assistants, well, erm, they just assist.
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(via toffeeweb.)...Gomes wins the ball, DCL, shoots, it's saved for a corner, or even just saved for a goalkick
would VAR overrule the corner or goal kick for a foul?
the VAR tail is very inconsistently wagging the Referee dog

it's nuanced, but I'd say VAR is become a tail consistently wagging the refereeing dog, but it prosecutes very biasedly and inconsistently: in short, it's self-engineered what's popularly memed these days , a circle-jerking cluster [Poor language removed].

 

[ClausThomsen]

The whole thing needs tearing up. How refs are selected and everything. I posted the following well over a year ago now, and I still stand by every word. The whole system is an absolute joke...

People have been slamming the refereeing in this country for a long time now. Let's not forget, it was shoddy refereeing, ultimately, that led to VAR. It was basically meant to stop appalling injustices, wasn't it? With hindsight, it definitely seems like that's how it was 'sold.'

What we really need to do is tear up the current gateway to becoming a Premier League ref.

People rightly question whether the officials may be reluctant to overturn their 'mates' decision, because they'll be working together a lot and what have you. Well, it goes a lot deeper than that. How many people stop to consider that most of these refs will have known each other since they were very young?

The path to becoming a 'top ref' can start at age 14. If you come through the system, and end up becoming a Premier League ref, you will earn 'a salary of between £38,500 and £42,000 – which varies based on experience. Referees are then given an extra £1,150 for matches they are put in charge of, which means that a Premier League referee can earn up to £70,000 per season.'

Obviously, if you ref at a lower level, pay will be lower. There's so many issues with this. For a start, if you hang your mate out to dry once too often, then you're basically messing with his livelihood, Another issue with this is the talent pool you're recruiting from, You're basically recruiting people who've set out on a career knowing that if they get to the very, very top, become one of the elite in their field, then they could earn up to 70k a year... They're hardly gonna attract the finest minds in the country are they? This is a league that has just spent £2 billion on transfers.

Is paying Premier League refs up to 70k per year also not leaving the system open to corruption? 70k a year? To make decisions that can have implications worth 10's of million of pounds? Fool proof eh?
IMO, the selection process for the prem has to start from a much higher standard. I'd genuinely make it a gateway requirement to be a doctor and I'd pay them all 500k a year.

TL;DR?

Who was that meff crowing about earning 70k a year? He was defo a Premier League ref.

So if a ref comes up through the ranks and puts in excellent performances and gets consistently positive reports from the assessors you wouldn't let them ref at a higher level until they've done the best part of 10 years in higher education and foundation training?

I think we might run short on refs.

 

[Goat]

So if a ref comes up through the ranks and puts in excellent performances and gets consistently positive reports from the assessors you wouldn't let them ref at a higher level until they've done the best part of 10 years in higher education and foundation training?

I think we might run short on refs.

My mates 2 Sons both had an interest in Refing, both knocked it on the head due to the amount of abuse they got on a weekly basis.

Its a horrible job/hobby.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

My mates 2 Sons both had an interest in Refing, both knocked it on the head due to the amount of abuse they got on a weekly basis.

Its a horrible job/hobby.

How does reffereeing work? Do you work your way up the leagues or how does it happen?

 

[Goat]

How does reffereeing work? Do you work your way up the leagues or how does it happen?

His oldest only did a season 2, he went on a few courses and was enjoying it, weekly abuse aside......

But yeah, it seemed to be age groups he moved up, then its about trying to move up the leagues.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

His oldest only did a season 2, he went on a few courses and was enjoying it, weekly abuse aside......

But yeah, it seemed to be age groups he moved up, then its about trying to move up the leagues.

From amateur to Pro I can’t see a reason why you would want to put yourself through that. At basic level you are called incompetent, high level you are called corrupt.

 

[Goat]

From amateur to Pro I can’t see a reason why you would want to put yourself through that. At basic level you are called incompetent, high level you are called corrupt.

The rewards at the very highest level seem great, but my God, I wouldnt last a half without 1 bombing either a player or a fan.

To say it takes a certain type is an understatement.

 

[pfim]

My mates 2 Sons both had an interest in Refing, both knocked it on the head due to the amount of abuse they got on a weekly basis.

Its a horrible job/hobby.

My daughter officiated two matches:

1. As an assistant, she flagged for a very obvious foul. She was taken aside by the ref and told to never call fouls.

2. A U9 match she was in the center, as a 16 year old, by herself as the other two didn’t show. She was berated by a fairly well known actor (I lived in New York at the time) and that was the last match we did.

I attended both. You don’t want your kids to quit at the first sign of difficulty, but this was different. No one needs that sort of hassle.

Referee shortages are real and it starts at the grassroots levels.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You get the idea. It's boxing day for crying out loud, you want Rembrant?

 

[ClausThomsen]

How does reffereeing work? Do you work your way up the leagues or how does it happen?

As @Goat said they start young and move through age groups. Once they get to open age they'll start in county level leagues and be assessed. Refs performing well move up the divisions.

The biggest issue is too many manbabies (fans and media) who can't take a decision going against them or acknowledge that everybody has a bad moment or two in their work. And then there's the ones who think they "know football" but don't actually know the laws of the game as they currently stand who also observe from a massively biased viewpoint.

Plus of course by the nature of the sport some situations are open to interpretation. Screams of corruption, incompetence or other allegations if a decision goes against us but the same thing going for us will be met with approval of a good decision well made.

VAR does work most of the time but it's implementation is currently chaotic. The audio that they occasionally release always sounds confused and hectic with multiple voices talking over each other in seemingly near panic - compare it to RL where it's one person calmly talking it through aloud.

 

[Bwana]

The rewards at the very highest level seem great, but my God, I wouldnt last a half without 1 bombing either a player or a fan.

To say it takes a certain type is an understatement.

I know three guys in my area refereeing juniors & lower leagues. All of them are either high ranking police officers or company leading officers in the tank brigade near-by. All of them saying "without the refs there's no matches, without matches no juniors etc." And they're right.

 

[arch stanton]

I know three guys in my area refereeing juniors & lower leagues. All of them are either high ranking police officers or company leading officers in the tank brigade near-by. All of them saying "without the refs there's no matches, without matches no juniors etc." And they're right.

I'd imagine that if you had a job where you had responsibility and power over people then refereeing could be easier. I remember when I played sunday league (to keep fit for Saturday games) and the standard of reffing was crap but I remember lots of refs getting off on the bit of power they had and were crap too.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My mates 2 Sons both had an interest in Refing, both knocked it on the head due to the amount of abuse they got on a weekly basis.

Its a horrible job/hobby.

My lad passed the first level of refereeing and he used to referee for Reading and Barnets kids teams when he was 16. I used to take him and the kids were all taught about respecting the referee’s decisions etc. If they tried to have a pop they were hauled off by the manager. It was really refreshing to watch and he loved doing it.

He did them games till he was 18 and he then started referring normal Saturday league footy, the difference between the 2 was ridiculous, the abuse he took was off the scale. It got to the point where he had enough and he ended up spewing it. Sad really because he was a really good referee.

 

[hallamblue]

My lad passed the first level of refereeing and he used to referee for Reading and Barnets kids teams when he was 16. I used to take him and the kids were all taught about respecting the referee’s decisions etc. If they tried to have a pop they were hauled off by the manager. It was really refreshing to watch and he loved doing it.

He did them games till he was 18 and he then started referring normal Saturday league footy, the difference between the 2 was ridiculous, the abuse he took was off the scale. It got to the point where he had enough and he ended up spewing it. Sad really because he was a really good referee.

I always say there's no other job where you go to work and everyone tells you how rubbish you are. Can you imagine going to work at the supermarket and the shoppers all start singing "you're not fit to stack the shelves, you're not fit to stack the shelves". You'd go and find another job wouldn't you?

 

[Bwana]

I'd imagine that if you had a job where you had responsibility and power over people then refereeing could be easier. I remember when I played sunday league (to keep fit for Saturday games) and the standard of reffing was crap but I remember lots of refs getting off on the bit of power they had and were crap too.

It's all about carrying yourself through those tight moments in the matches ie communicating with the players. Heck, I've seen one of them giving banter back at the forward claiming that the offside call was wrong "Yeah, it was a tight one and I got it wrong. But you still blasted the ball to the near-by road" and both of them walking out from the situation fist bumping.