6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Tony’s Carp]

The planned chants with f… in it just gives them reasoning to do this. Was a dumb idea

As much respect as I have for what the 1878s are doing pre-announcing the exact minute of an unnecessarily obscene chant was naive. There are plenty of ways to make the point that won’t get the sound cut. I’ve no time for Sky or the PL but this isn’t some conspiracy to censor it’s just the ofcom rules.

 

[Tipp blue]

I have been mulling this. If there are going to be thousands of PL Corrupt signs on the seats, the club must be complicit in that. PL will not like that at all. There is no way you could distribute thousands before the match, outside GP. Like, I would love it if the whole ground held signs up, inc the United fans, but the logistics do defeat me IMHO.

Who cares what the PL like... they didn't seem too concerned about punishing the fans for financial irregularities that fans had absolutely nothing to do with..
I feel like I've been punished I've been fewmin since it's the first think I think of in the morning and it's running through my head lying in bed.. I'm from Ireland and been to goodison maybe a dozen times.. I have no geographical connection to Liverpool really the only thing I care about in Liverpool is Everton.. I can only imigine how it feels to the season ticket holders and those who live in the city feel about this.

 

[Bez2k2k]

Some of the stuff I have read in this thread, almost daily just baffles me and reiterates my pre conceived thoughts that the Premier league want us out.

Sky now saying they won’t broadcast offensive chants? Chants about who exactly? It was ok the other week when Luton where chanting about Hillsborough, it has always been okay when everyone sings ‘feed the scousers’.

Also, a new rule was made, not produced to Everton but then used to take points off us, just Everton.

I mean seriously what the hell is going on. Starting to really annoy me now.

 

[DanB90]

Mustn't upset the paymasters, must we.

But they’ll happily air all the gimps from the clubs who’ve spent time in the lower leagues doing that awful “oooooh your sh… hahaha” at every goal kick.

Should be a points deduction just for that kind of appalling league 2 banter IMHO.

 

[Bez2k2k]

Oh wow, so, the league created a secret sanction policy for Everton 5 months after they referred them to the commission... didnt tell Everton about it, then told the commission this was their sanction policy. But it only applies to Everton, so they dont need to do any for Man City or Chelsea etc. The commission then punished them EXACTLY on that policy. Thats an absolute bombshell and thats a way to appeal. From the Athletic Article at Athletic-Everton Appeal:

"The commission heard how, on August 10 this year, five months after Everton’s case had been referred, league officials put forward what was described in the report as a “sanction policy”...

According to evidence supplied by its chief executive Richard Masters, the league proposed “a fixed starting point of a deduction of six points, with an increase from that starting point of one point for every £5million...

Crucially, they still reached the same conclusion as the league: a 10-point penalty for an overspend of £19.5million, with their adjudication summarised in the final two pages of the report. None of this is likely to have been lost on Everton’s lawyers...

The Athletic has since been told the aforementioned sanction framework was only meant to be used for Everton’s case. It is understood no such league-wide sanction policy is in the pipeline at the moment and that such a change would need to be communicated to clubs formally and via the handbook. Everton were unaware of the league’s recommendation both at the time of their referral and approaching the pre-trial review in early October."

Just present this and say ‘how are we supposed to defend ourselves if the punishment has already been decided, behind our backs. It’s impossible.

 

[GoldenToffee]

As the days go by our grounds for appeal and having every single one of those 10 points added back seem to get stronger and stronger.

Obviously that would require the appeal process to be carried out in an impartial manner though, and therein unfortunately lies the problem.

 

[blueboy72]

Can someone explain why Forest are trying to get compo ?

Yes that’s a bizarre one I have no clue

 

[blueloon]

Cam someone explain why Forest are trying to get compo ?

I believe it’s because @chicoazul keeps calling them “ Notts Forest” and they are mightily offended , if he keeps it up we’re going to have Nottingham County trying to get compo too.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Cam someone explain why Forest are trying to get compo ?

The ruling that Forest were named on was made in May so the application must have gone in a good while before. The clubs that applied other than Burnley could all have conceivably ended up in 18th at that stage of the season so they all chucked their name down but Forest won’t make any claim.

 

[ultra]

As the days go by our grounds for appeal and having every single one of those 10 points added back seem to get stronger and stronger.

Obviously that would require the appeal process to be carried out in an impartial manner though, and therein unfortunately lies the problem.

Sky/PL are now using censorship to silence legitimate criticism like Third World tinpot dictators.

It has been less than a week since the kangaroo court and the level of corruption revealed has been jaw-dropping. No way are our fans keeping quiet about this, either home or away. Their sacred brand is tainted and the world needs to know.

 

[Victus]

10 points isn't enough now they want our voice?

 

[LEONARD]

But they’ll happily air all the gimps from the clubs who’ve spent time in the lower leagues doing that awful “oooooh your sh… hahaha” at every goal kick.

Should be a points deduction just for that kind of appalling league 2 banter IMHO.

Can't have the disgusting Northern proles upsetting the global audience.

They are determined to have an 'ideologically correct', sanitised, middle class spectacle.

 

[Bristol Blue]

Cam someone explain why Forest are trying to get compo ?

To cover their fines when they get done

 

[DanB90]

10 points isn't enough now they want our voice?

Like the sea witch from the little mermaid?

 

[WestStandLower]

Yes in paras 88, 89 and 90 the commission did make a big song and dance about rejecting the PL framework.

88 The Commission recognises the attraction of a regulator imposing a structured formula that was required to be applied in breaches of a particular regulation. Such a structured formula would fully inform clubs of the consequences of PSR breaches – although that would deny the Commission the power, as a specialist tribunal, to approach the question of sanction in whatever way it considered to be appropriate to the individual case before it.

89structured formula such as is advocated by the Premier League would be inconsistent with the unrestricted powers conferred by Rules W50&51. We consider that it is not for a Commission to introduce such a structured formula even on a case by case basis. We consider that we are required by the Rules to hear and consider the mitigation, after which we have a wide discretion to impose any of the sanctions listed in Rule W51. If the Premier League wishes to impose a mandatory structured formula on a Commission dealing with PSR breaches, it can do so. In that event the Commission would be required to comply with those Rules. But as things stand at present that has not been done: the Commission has the wide discretion conferred by Rules W50&51.

90 We therefore decline to adopt the structured formula proposed by the Premier League. We will determine the appropriate sanction according to all the circumstances of the case, including (as required by Rules W50&51) any mitigating factors.

They then proceeded to get to the exact same points deduction that the PL formula would have arrived at (assuming 19.5 million was rounded up to 20m) with absolutely zero detail on how they came to their figure. So forgive me if I think it whiffs a bit.

Agree that there being no set formula published (as in EFL) it might help our appeal. However I do think if they are going to start docking points off clubs that there should be a formula published and agreed in advance to ensure at least a modicum of consistency between judgements.

When I read this section of the written reasons as I said the other day the only way I could take this was someone of some of the commission having a bee in their bonnet and this commission enabled them to enforce a standpoint that most if not everyone else struggle to rationalise
Follow that logic further and they almost are saying no matter what any PL that breeches a rule should be sanctioned by way of a sporting penalty. Take that to its natural conclusion then what will a club get for say getting 7 bookings in a game? Will that be a one point deduction or maybe a two year transfer embargo.
I genuinely believe that your points deduction will either be reduced or suspended .
There inevitably will have been behind door discussions with the senior PL officials the fall out has been massive and the PL will know if down the line league positions are decided on a regular basis by way of off field matters then ithe league’s popularity will plunge and with it the cash that all clubs even down the pyramid benefit from will decline at a pace
As they say be careful what you wish for