2022/23 Kevin Thelwell

[Giraffe_Baker]

I imagine Bill gave Roberto a call. Not hard to believe is it?

Or that his old mate David was just about to sign him for West Ham before we swooped in.

Moshiri's on video saying that him and Kenwright have final say, Brands has very strongly alluded to the same multiple times, so I don't know why people are acting surprised at the idea that our DoF's operate below the Chuckle Brothers in charge.

 

[Nymzee]

I imagine Bill gave Roberto a call. Not hard to believe is it?

But he has no PL experience...

 

[toffeeblue9]

Dont take the job then. Far to many excuses for this fella taking the money. As ive stated before. Its an admin job. Call it what it is.

Why not take the job? You're effectively basing that on your own criteria rather than anyone else's.

He was happy to take the job, knowing the structure in place. He can be overruled by those above him. He's happy to work in that structure.

That very structure might stop us being as successful as we could be, but that isn't Thelwell's doing. Thelwell knew what he signed up for and he's worked (without complaint, as far as we know) in it.

Why would we criticise someone for knowingly taking a well-paid job in a flawed company? I have done the same myself.

 

[Baggzio]

Bobble's mate...



Take with as much salt as you like.

Thing is though, that isn't being "undermined" per se, it's the structure he signed up to. Until that structure above him changes, we will continue to have problems like this.

In fairness (and I know people don't like them) the ToffeeTV lads have said this as well a number of times. The reason we were left with Maupay late in the window is because Lampard especially but others too kept shooting down the options that were put ahead of him. Same thing is happening now.

Thelwell is not the problem at Everton, in fact when left to do his job he's quite decent. Same with Brands. The only DoF that was allowed free reign was Steve Walsh, the problem was he'd go sign a player, Koeman would sign a player, Kenwright would sign a player and Moshiri would sign a player, hence why we ended up with 4 #10s that year despite not playing a system that needed a #10. It was madness.

 

[Clarky cat]

But he has no PL experience...

Indeed. So, perhaps, the only reason he wasn’t dismissed as a signing immediately like the others is because Kenwright actually had someone in his phone book who he could gain some more information on the player. Roberto probably told him he would be better than Zidane in 6 months.
Thelwell is rightfully receiving stick but if he is finding players and being told ‘no‘ by the idiots in charge what else can he do?

 

[Nymzee]

Indeed. So, perhaps, the only reason he wasn’t dismissed as a signing immediately like the others is because Kenwright actually had someone in his phone book who he could gain some more information on the player. Roberto probably told him he would be better than Zidane in 6 months.
Thelwell is rightfully receiving stick but if he is finding players and being told ‘no‘ by the idiots in charge what else can he do?

But what if he isn't is what I'm getting it. I find it hard to believe we're sacking off strikers with no PL experience but signing the likes of Mykolenko. Where's the consistency to that story.

 

[Baggzio]

Dont take the job then. Far to many excuses for this fella taking the money. As ive stated before. Its an admin job. Call it what it is.

Why shouldn't he take the job? It the club want to be incompetent and pay him to do basically nothing sometimes then why should he not take advantage of it? This is like blaming Andre Gomes for taking a massive wage from us while he sits on the bench, not his fault the club offered it to him, he shouldn't get any abuse over it.

If the club want to let Thelwell do his job, he'd do a good job, however Kenwright and Moshiri can't help but interfere and ruin things. As a fanbase it's fairly insane to me that we've seen exactly how this club has been run in the last decade under Moshiri and Kenwright, we know how much of a mess it is and we know how tough it would be for anyone in the DoF position, yet we still as a fanbase throw unwarranted abuse and blame at this lad. Makes no sense to me.

 

[Clarky cat]

See I just can't really see this as being true (despite it sounding very Ev). If the heircarchy are so big on PL experience, rebuffing foreign strikers for Maupay, they'd never have shelled out £30m on Onana.

It can only be one strategy at the top or the other.

Or, it’s entirely on the whim of 2 people completely incapable, incompetent and unsuited to running a football club who both have absolutely no knowledge of football or footballers, whatsoever.

 

[JLW]

So explain the Onana signing

I would guess the scouts/DoF, thats were the problem is they dont seem to have full control of player recruitment.

You cant employ someone for recruitment and then say no not that player we want this player.

Do you think Brands selected Benitez? I dont, He should be selecting the manager not the owner/chairman

 

[Baggzio]

So explain the Onana signing

The "PL experience" thing is a noted metric for a forward, even when it's wrong. It's always brought up when a striker signs from a foreign league, it isn't really brought up as much with other positions.

Also last summer the forward player was much more critical compared to the midfielder. You could gamble on a promising midfielder but Maupay, in their eyes, gave immediate impact and goals in the team because he had done it in the PL before. Onana could've sat on the bench most of the season and we'd have still had depth in midfield, without Maupay though it would've been Rondon and no one else.

Onana was bought basically to develop and be sold, I'd imagine Garner was the same. Maupay was brought to bring goals to the team. That was their strategy.

 

[Clarky cat]

But what if he isn't is what I'm getting it. I find it hard to believe we're sacking off strikers with no PL experience but signing the likes of Mykolenko. Where's the consistency to that story.

I agree, it’s even harder to believe if you hold Everton up as a business that knows what it’s doing and has competence across the entire business (not what I’m suggesting you are doing btw). Everything this club does and has done for years is under those 2 bells in charge.
Moshiri gave Benitez full licence to do whatever he wanted I believe. This is something I have been told although I wouldn’t bet my house on it, it makes some sense in to why that particular manager would take a job at the club who he knew would hate him (let’s face it, Moshiri has previous for letting others make decisions for him and his/ usmanov‘s money). Benitez having more control over staffing is probably the biggest reason Bill didn’t want him.
After being burned by letting a manager have all the control we are back to the old ways of the chuckle brothers having to sign everything off.

 

[Nymzee]

I agree, it’s even harder to believe if you hold Everton up as a business that knows what it’s doing and has competence across the entire business (not what I’m suggesting you are doing btw). Everything this club does and has done for years is under those 2 bells in charge.
Moshiri gave Benitez full licence to do whatever he wanted I believe. This is something I have been told although I wouldn’t bet my house on it, it makes some sense in to why that particular manager would take a job at the club who he knew would hate him (let’s face it, Moshiri has previous for letting others make decisions for him and his/ usmanov‘s money). Benitez having more control over staffing is probably the biggest reason Bill didn’t want him.
After being burned by letting a manager have all the control we are back to the old ways of the chuckle brothers having to sign everything off.

It does sound very Everton to have a very mixed approach. I just don't like how it can be used in particular cases to defend the current DoF.

Whom, I would say, should quit if he's wanting strikers that suit us and getting told no and forced to sign Maupay.

 

[buededw1]

Clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. The money we’re offering includes very small upfront payment, which is why so little clubs are willing to do business.

Similar to Onana and Garner, we’re trying to pay minimal upfront payments and have many instalments to get around our shortcomings.

Yes, because you are part of the deals and understand the fee structure.

Loans, free transfers etc are all a possibility, your making excuses for a guy who has been negligent that nearly got us relegated.

No excuses for what happened in Jan and the fact your giving him a pass, shows you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Bob Elstone]

I don’t care if thelwell signs mbappe, he’s failed miserably and we should have been relegated based on his recruitment.

 

[Clarky cat]

It does sound very Everton to have a very mixed approach. I just don't like how it can be used in particular cases to defend the current DoF.

Whom, I would say, should quit if he's wanting strikers that suit us and getting told no and forced to sign Maupay.

Unfortunately I think that’s exactly where the club is. Thelwell definitely deserves grief, he’s failing the manager who he should be solely responsible for helping. I’d like to believe people have morals but I don’t know if I’d walk away from a premier league job on principle by digging out an owner and chairman, I imagine your career would immediately be all but over.