2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Curtis]

The team needs a manager. So who would you get in?

Vincent kompany, or someone from the Bundesliga basically a non premier league manager who is seems to have promising traits and can rebuild a team to incorporate a more fluid attacking style.

 

[Curtis]

Let's be realistic, we have found our true level re manager.

What young, progressive, ambitious manager would come here at present?.

The club is in shambles but it's still an opportunity to manage in the premier league and although a daunting task if they are able to take us from relegation struggles to midtable that would be perceived as a major accomplishment and build some serious cred in the football world (if we evade the drop)

 

[preposterousvelios]

Maybe he just really doesn't rate a lot of the players

Yes to wholesale changes but absolutely no to a new team being built to play Dycheball.

Any building of a new culture/identity needs to start with the board being replaced, closely followed by a new manager being appointed.

 

[Gilbert..]

I'm more interested in the change of culture part tbh, to come back up either automatically or via the playoffs he is going to have to be a bit more willing to attack and take risks in games.

Not throwing demarai gray on the other night will baffle me for a long time. His best moments generally in an Everton shirt have been when he has space to attack. You couldnt have got more space for him to attack than the other night. They were leaving gaps galore.
Take it account aswell him coming on and rubbing his old clubs noses in it.
To leave him on the bench was an awful call. But i think he doesnt like gray and i feel dyche has that in him. If he doesnt like a player thats that.

 

[Lanolin]

There's one reason Keane, Tarkowski and McNeil are in the team every week - and it's nothing to do with their ability with a football.

It's entirely about Dyche's familiarity with them.

I mean McNeil has quite comfortably been our best player for ages now - it's not a high bar and doesn't mean he's great but dropping him at the moment would be one of the most bizarre decisions imaginable. Thinking both centre halves should be dropped is certainly a novel idea too, I don't think i've seen anyone else advocating that (for fairly obvious reasons). This is the type of weird criticism I was talking about earlier, it's very strange.

 

[Curtis]

That is brutal, isn't it?! He's done as a top level manager, imo.

I think his name will still get him another gig with a premier league club or another top tier team despite how atrocious his record is

 

[Lanolin]

Here’s one for the Dyche aficionados to answer - even Lampard had Keane sussed and launched him out of the picture.

Also, i don’t get why fans can’t be wound up about his team selection and in game management.

We can be critical of the manager and not want him hung. I know there are massive issues at everton that have got nothing to do with Dyche, and there are clearly big issues we need to resolve, but if I feel he’s not affecting the things that he can control well or even adequately (team selection, tactics and subs) then I’m gonna say something.

I don't think there are any Dyche aficionados are there? I'm the only person i've seen defending him in here today and i'm certainly not one.

 

[Furey1878]

I’d suggest that Coady has shown me plenty throughout his career to suggest he is a better player than Michael Keane. Yerry Mina has shown me MUCH more to suggest that he is a better player, albeit a complete crock and a liability fitness wise. So it’s not as if the manager doesn’t have options. As I said, find out how many individual mistake Coady made that led to goals, I can only think of the Anfield one myself.

The first half of the season under the worst manager in the league, we were better defensively than we have been under Dyche. Pretty much everyone was saying that our CB’s and Pickford were keeping us in games and earning us points on their own. It’s a complete rewriting of history to say that Coady has been terrible all season.

The numbers suggest that we were getting away with it a lot in the first half of the season, like our goals conceded was noticeably lower than the expected goals against. I'd put that down more to Pickford. And we saw this laid bare with the games either side of the World Cup under Lampard.

Coady's individual numbers suggest he's crap in the air, he doesn't tackle or make interceptions. I think he looks a bit nicer on the eye as he looks like a leader and sprays the ball quite well.

Keane, for his faults, is usually good in the air and can make challenges. The main thing is though, he makes a lot of errors that lead directly to goals and generally looks less assured than Coady, despite him being marginally the better player imo.

I dunno mate, they're both crap for me. Both slow and I'd be terrified with them up against anyone who looks to get in behind. I'd lean towards Keane just because Coady backs off too much, but equally you could say Keane is too likely to shoot himself in the foot.

Just wish he'd play Mina, or Godfrey didn't look like a husk of himself.

 

[allen]

I mean McNeil has quite comfortably been our best player for ages now - it's not a high bar and doesn't mean he's great but dropping him at the moment would be one of the most bizarre decisions imaginable. Thinking both centre halves should be dropped is certainly a novel idea too, I don't think i've seen anyone else advocating that (for fairly obvious reasons). This is the type of weird criticism I was talking about earlier, it's very strange.

I think you're wallpapering over my thoughts with your own interpretation of what I think.

He clearly wants players he can trust, and Keane's performances have shown that to be irrespective of form on the pitch.

That's his prerogative, and I can understand it.

That you've moulded that into 'weird criticism' is entirely between you and your thoughts, I'm afraid.

 

[cooperman]

Not throwing demarai gray on the other night will baffle me for a long time. His best moments generally in an Everton shirt have been when he has space to attack. You couldnt have got more space for him to attack than the other night. They were leaving gaps galore.
Take it account aswell him coming on and rubbing his old clubs noses in it.
To leave him on the bench was an awful call. But i think he doesnt like gray and i feel dyche has that in him. If he doesnt like a player thats that.

Absolutely

Plus the fact he probably has a personal score to settle with leicester, no doubting his motivation to play well against them

 

[jceverton]

The team needs a manager. So who would you get in?

Logically we would get one from Threlfells top three choices. Same as we should’ve done with Brands, with Arteta and Potter. Basically the owner & the chairman should be nowhere near the manager selection.

 

[Lanolin]

I think you're wallpapering over my thoughts with your own interpretation of what I think.

He clearly wants players he can trust, and Keane's performances have shown that to be irrespective of form on the pitch.

That's his prerogative, and I can understand it.

That you've moulded that into 'weird criticism' is entirely between you and your thoughts, I'm afraid.

I don't think so. You specifically said there's only one reason he's picking McNeil and Tarkowski and it isn't their ability. I'm saying I think the huge majority of people would disagree with the idea that they're only in because of nepotism because McNeil has been our best player recently and Tarkowski has been an ever present all season (and while he's not amazing, I honestly don't think i've seen anyone saying he should be dropped). It's therefore a weird criticism to make.

 

[Curtis]

I’d suggest that Coady has shown me plenty throughout his career to suggest he is a better player than Michael Keane. Yerry Mina has shown me MUCH more to suggest that he is a better player, albeit a complete crock and a liability fitness wise. So it’s not as if the manager doesn’t have options. As I said, find out how many individual mistake Coady made that led to goals, I can only think of the Anfield one myself.

The first half of the season under the worst manager in the league, we were better defensively than we have been under Dyche. Pretty much everyone was saying that our CB’s and Pickford were keeping us in games and earning us points on their own. It’s a complete rewriting of history to say that Coady has been terrible all season.

A goal post is a better defender than Micheal Keane, comparable on levels of mobility and it actually has prevented goals from going in unlike keane

 

[Gilbert..]

Absolutely

Plus the fact he probably has a personal score to settle with leicester, no doubting his motivation to play well against them

Im loathe to say he blew it the other night but...i think he blew it. Christ knows there are not many games Everton have the opportunity to go for the throat in the ascendency but that was a rare time the other night. He had the perfect player on the bench to exploit leicester who looked all at sea at the back.
He did nothing.
Back to his in game management again which is starting to be a major worry.

 

[allen]

I don't think so. You specifically said there's only one reason he's picking McNeil and Tarkowski. I'm saying I think the huge majority of people would disagree with the idea that they're only in because of nepotism because McNeil has been our best player recently and Tarkowski has been an ever present all season (and while he's not amazing, I honestly don't think i've seen anyone saying he should be dropped). It's therefore a weird criticism to make.

Like I say, that's entirely your interpretation and you're entitled to it.

I know what I think, but thanks for your alternative opinion on my thoughts.