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Spinning it the other way you could say that Liverpool only win 50% of their home games against us. Considering how good they’ve been in that time, I’d wager this is a far lower percentage than they’d have against most non top 6 sides in the PL who they regularly beat season in season out.

When you add in a decent record of not losing at Goodison as well, we clearly cause them more of a problem than a lot of other PL teams do. We just get hung up on the win stat because it’s so low.

Ultimately if the ball had bounced differently in a lot of those games we’d have both lost and won a lot more. The Coady marginal offside, the Davies shot onto the post, Dominic Calvert-Lewin blazing over from point blank range under Allardyce. We could have won all those games, equally we could have lost quite a few as well where Pickford or a defender had made a point saving block or that Mane offside under Ancelotti.

It would be nice to win more of course but they don’t lose many at Anfield to anyone. Both teams tend to accept draws in these fixtures as well (not just Everton). Countless times we’ve been hanging on for a draw and they’ve not committed players forward because they’ve not wanted to risk a counter.
This is just Anfield derbies mate. I didnt include Goodison ones (although depressingly there wouldnt be much more W's though). 50% is a decent return record for a manager, particulary in some of the eras of the teams they've had over the years as well. Just to a bit of context, 50% wins is a 57 point hall. It's a good record for any team in what is a derby fixture. Their record against us at Anfield in 37 games is (which is effectively a season worth of games) 72 points with a game still play). 72 points from 37 games, thats Champions league return. It's a pretty good return really. You say we may cause more problems against them than other teams do, yet that record is pretty solid, especially in a derby fixture where form should in theory go out the window a bit more, it's probably a little more demoralising we haven't done so well.

As I said, for me half of it is the manner of the defeats and draws. Moyes' "knife to a gun fight approach", things like Pickfords clanger in the dying seconds. Lack of effort, in a later post I put last seasons statistics of the game on. While they dont mean everything, I'd love to see the stats for teh last 30 anfield derbies, I cant imagine it being a pleasant read. Statstics aren't everything ofcourse, you can have an opinion or form a feeling based on history of how the games go. Which is why that record I posted shows how most of us feel about the Anfield derby.

Like any club, personally I just want to see my team have a go and play without fear. That doesn't mean go gung-ho and leave yourself open to getting torn apart, but having a plan, having the confidence to play to that plan. If it works, fab, if it doesn't, then at least you've put an effort in. in 26 years of going I think we've had one real good season of away wins which was during COVID and under the best manager we've had in my lifetime.

We have seen so many cowardly performances at Anfield, particulary in recent years COVID/Carlo aside. Naturally it becomes an expectation. They have, and have had a better team for as long as I've gone the game, so expecting wins isn't logical.

Expecting effort and desire is though, and too many times we've come out and gone, "what was that?"

I admire anyones optimism, and as I started my posts, I'm not particularly arsed about tonight, if we get a point, fantastic, a win? amazing, but ultimately Arsenal and Liverpool were free passes to Dyche with the expectation of 0 points, we have 3 in the bag and makes tonight a little less important in the big picture. I just cant fault anyone for feeling similar to I do about it because we've the worst team we've had in a long long time, we dont score goals. The one real hope is that Dyche has them running and organised.
 

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Let's see, the "murderers" chant has nothing to do with Hillsborough, it has to do with Heysel. And the "always the victim" is literally every single match every single week. Never known a set of supporters thinking they are the victim regardless of what happens.
even if you take all of that out of it, that account is for LFC supporter related issues.

The message it’s putting out should be about chanting about Bucharest and displaying flags celebrating Heysel.

I wouldn’t be too bothered too much if it was the Everton account that had tweeted that tbh.

It serves no purpose other than to inflame the situation.
 
Out of 37 meetings since the PL begin (I think this includes 3 FA cup games by my tally, maybe four).

3 wins. (2-1 1995, 1-0 1999, 2-0 2021)
15 draws.
19 losses.

Bare in mind how many of those draws were Moyes' resignation attitude as well (This is a fact, as shown by him still yet to win away at a top club still happening at multiple clubs years on).

more than half the time we lose at anfield, the vast majority, not always being a cowardly performance. So the 'usual' is we get beat, all be it by a fine percentage.

Nobody is being unfair assuming we will do the 'usual' rollover. Over my 26 years of going the match, not just the results, but the performances at anfield have been absolutely cowardly for the most part.
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I respect your positivity and optimism @Jeff Jones but history tells us more than likely we will get beat.

Whether 2021 will change the attitude or mentality of the club, is another question
30 games at Anfield in the Prem.
3 wins
13 draws
14 losses

If history tells us anything, we have a 53% chance of getting a result tonight.
 

Would definitely take a point as without Dom I just don’t see the ball sticking, it’ll likely keep coming right back at us. Need a huge game from the midfield 3. A run from Onana or Doucoure could be the difference tonight in us bagging or not.

The realist in me says they’ll spank us as usual, but if it’s 0-0 after an hour and our midfield are getting the better of theirs, I can see their fans heads going which will play right into our hands.

Just read Thiago is out, that’s a huge help.
He who invented passing? lol lol lol
 
Would definitely take a point as without Dom I just don’t see the ball sticking, it’ll likely keep coming right back at us. Need a huge game from the midfield 3. A run from Onana or Doucoure could be the difference tonight in us bagging or not.

The realist in me says they’ll spank us as usual, but if it’s 0-0 after an hour and our midfield are getting the better of theirs, I can see their fans heads going which will play right into our hands.

Just read Thiago is out, that’s a huge help.
Our midfield three should completely dominate theirs, stronger and more legs. If we don't do something stupid I reckon we can pull off a win here or atleast a draw
 

30 games at Anfield in the Prem.
3 wins
13 draws
14 losses

If history tells us anything, we have a 53% chance of getting a result tonight.
If history tells us anything, it’s that Football didn’t start in 1992. (Not having a gripe but Everton would have a much more even balance of results if all the games were counted?)
Starting with tonight hopefully.
 

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