Martinez IN Thread

[bluewally]

Cmoon..our fixture is relatively "easy" when comparing to others

So its like hull,Leicester,stoke......oh

 

[bluewally]

There's no reasoning with some at the moment mate.

But we'll prevail.

I don't understand your smugness.

What is your undying support for bobby based on?

Is it more important than the future of the club?

What is going to change next season to make it better?

 

[Deleted member 24970]

I swear you must be bouncing from thread to thread with this line. You'll be going to bed tonight whispering this in Mrs Del's ear.

Feel sorry for the poor woman. Not because of his post in question, but just generally....

 

[Dymak]

Anyone who thinks that being six points off the bottom three with just 10 games to go isn't a precarious position needs to take a look at the relegation history books. Especially when you can't buy a win for love nor money.

 

[toffeeblue9]

In an ideal world, I'd let this nightmare of a season play out and then review it at the end of the season.

Personally, and I have zero issue with anyone who disagrees, I'd like to get this season out of the way and then give him until Christmas next season.

We've had one excellent season and another absolutely terrible one. I have no idea how or why there has been such an enormous collapse, so I'm at the point where I don't know who the real Martinez is.

I don't see us going down this season, so I don't see us sacking him now as in anyone's interests really (although the way things are going, it's looking an inevitability before long).

Most enjoyable season in as long as I can remember last year, this year has been just about the worst.

 

[Donald Twain]

Anyone who thinks that being six points off the bottom three with just 10 games to go isn't a precarious position needs to take a look at the relegation history books. Especially when you can't buy a win for love nor money.

Sounds a riveting read like.

 

[matty1878]

I like his shoes and...... That's it

 

[Encoder]

Still think he can turn it around

The players need to shoulder blame aswell, no way convinced they're all giving 100%

 

[daz4matty]

Still think he can turn it around

The players need to shoulder blame aswell, no way convinced they're all giving 100%

They are not but whats Martinez doing about it.

 

[badger blue]

With all the understandable negativity swirling around I thought perhaps I should offer the opinion of a supporter who thinks perhaps now isn't the time to get rid of Martinez. Not yet anyway.

Its been an awful season. Made even more depressing by the hope last season gave us. A record points total coupled with the nucleus of a young and hungry squad. This season promised so much.

Its hard to pinpoint exactly whats gone wrong this year. An underwhelming front line, dressing room discontent, experienced players out of form. Niggling injuries, long-term injuries and a Europa league campaign. Most worrying though is a lack of a plan B. It still feels like our season hasn't started.

There is definitely troubles in the dressing room. Senior pro's have spoken out. Distin perhaps hasn't been the model-pro he's been lauded in the past. Baines, Howard, Jagielka, Barry have all had their worst season in a decade, all at once. Coleman, Barkley and Lukaku have all struggled with fragile confidence. You cant blame Martinez for being stubborn, yet not place any blame at the same group of players who were so good for him last season.

Looking through the Martinez replacement thread provides all the evidence you need to keep Martinez. Its an insipid list. Seriously, Joe Royle until the end of the season shouts are laughable.

What people perhaps need to realise is a couple of things. Firstly the squads approaching an over haul, the biggest its had since Moyes cleared the decks. This isn't Martinez's team yet. He inherited most of what you'd consider our experienced performers. I think the choices he makes in the summer, after this season, will go a long way to telling us whether he's up to it.

The second and perhaps most important point is that when we appointed him we got potential. We didn't get a manager in his mid 50's who's managed at the top level for 15 years. We got potential. Much like Moyes he's going to make mistakes and get things wrong. He's made mistakes this season, tactically, what he's spouted to the media and behind closed doors. But when you employ someone like that you have to accept that he's training on the job. Whether thats OK for a club like Everton is another debate. But if he learns and gets it right then you end up with a manager at a level you wouldn't of been able to attract in the first place. We gave him a 5 year deal in the summer for a reason, and NO ONE blinked.

If we finish this season 16th. Progress another round in the Europa. Then I'm patient enough to start next season with the hope that this season was a blip. I think its important that the players know that we are sticking with the manager in the medium term.

I imagine being a supporter of Martinez places me now firmly in the minority. I didn't think he was the second coming of Christ last year, but I also don't think he's the worst manager in the league now. So accept why people might want rid. But I dont think its fantasy that we have a good transfer window and get 72 points again next year.

This!!

 

[Stanley Parker]

Fail to beat Newcastle and he needs to be sacked

So, should Roberto play a reserve team against Kiev, home and away?

That's how European campaigns often end.

 

[tim cahill]

I like his shoes and...... That's it

After this season I'm never wearing brown shoes ever again!

 

[Dutch Toffee]

After a good night's sleep and a 'hard' day's work I'm feeling a bit more confident. I know I voted Martinez out yesterday, but changed my mind. I'll stick with him through the divisions. Martinez in!

 

[hetion]

If we got a good replacement, I wouldn't be gutted.

But...he's young, clever and has it in him to be tactically brilliant. His major flaw is stubbornness when his ideas don't work. Maybe this will be the major slap in the face he needs? If this crisis finally breaks down his stubbornness and he adds flexibility and a willingness to change to his skills, he could yet take us on a great path.

 

[Stanley Parker]

I'd actually go for all four games full gas.

They ALL mean something now. It's not a matter of playing players to exhaustion, but using the squad wisely.

We have Robles to come back in and Baines soon. Osman is getting near full fitness and we have the likes of Atsu and McGeady to come in again.

It's about playing with pace and intensity - the core 18 or so personnel for me are much of a muchness anyway. The only crucial players are Stones and McCarthy and Lukaku. They need to play in them all, but the others are interchangeable.

The same eleven certainly can't play all four games - and expect to win too. So we do need to rotate.

Barry is suspended for the Premier League games, and Lennon ineligible for the Europa League.

Let's keep Coleman, Stones, Jagielka, McCarthy and Lukaku for the PL games - and spare them the trip to Kiev.

PL games Robles Coleman Stones Jagielka Baines Besic McCarthy Lennon Naismith Mirallas Lukaku

But I think we'll have to send a reserve team to Kiev;

EL games Howard Hibbert? Distin Alcaraz Garbutt Barry Gibson McGeady? Barkley Osman Kone