Would you want Liverpool to join a 'northern hub'?

[degsy]

What would halt it?

Massive Intervention in the form of positive discrimination in many forms... the cure would be worse than the problem. I hate Positive discrimination... you're either good enough or you're not... if not go away and get better, if you can, if you can't re-evaluate your self view

 

[SerenityNigh]

I have reservations, but if there is to be a hub, then surely it's better to be in rather than out.

Also, we are the largest and quickest growing economy outside London, so rather than being simply part of the hub, Liverpool should be at the centre of it (the workings of it, obviously not geographically).

Seems like it's all this to me. So Manchester has a business advantage--that's not going away if the Northern Hub isn't built. Yes, they'll grow if NH is built, but they'll grow regardless. It's the surrounding cities and towns that will gain the largest advantage from the project.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Seems like it's all this to me. So Manchester has a business advantage--that's not going away if the Northern Hub isn't built. Yes, they'll grow if NH is built, but they'll grow regardless. It's the surrounding cities and towns that will gain the largest advantage from the project.

Sorry, but that's not correct.

Manchester currently has no discernible advantage in the region or along the M62 corridor. The improved transport links that sees them at the centre, will primarily benefit the City on Manchester, as it makes it more accessible. The end.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Sorry, but that's not correct.

Manchester currently has no discernible advantage in the region or along the M62 corridor. The improved transport links that sees them at the centre, will primarily benefit the City on Manchester, as it makes it more accessible. The end.

I may have a quite different bias than you, and I'm certainly an outsider on your local politics, but I don't see how infrastructure development can hurt. Geography plays a massive role in economics--you can't change geography very much. But you can improve routes (infrastructure) between trade centers and (if you believe that trade benefits both parties, as I do) make improvements to local economies based on infrastructure improvements.

Put more simply, consider ticket sales at Goodison: if there were a rail stop closer to the stadium, ticket sales should increase, simply due to ease of access, without any change in demand. (Similarly, if you removed the roof supports obscuring view...).

No doubt the Northern Hub would help Manchester, but trade is not a zero-sum game, and improvements (unless they were only in Manchester) should have big effects for surrounding areas.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I may have a quite different bias than you, and I'm certainly an outsider on your local politics, but I don't see how infrastructure development can hurt. Geography plays a massive role in economics--you can't change geography very much. But you can improve routes (infrastructure) between trade centers and (if you believe that trade benefits both parties, as I do) make improvements to local economies based on infrastructure improvements.

Put more simply, consider ticket sales at Goodison: if there were a rail stop closer to the stadium, ticket sales should increase, simply due to ease of access, without any change in demand. (Similarly, if you removed the roof supports obscuring view...).

No doubt the Northern Hub would help Manchester, but trade is not a zero-sum game, and improvements (unless they were only in Manchester) should have big effects for surrounding areas.

Your Goodison analogy sums up what the net effect will be. As it'll make travel into Manchester faster and therefore encourage retail shoppers from further afield as well as making the outer commuter circle wider.

I'm not saying it's bad news for the entire region, far from it as transport infrastructure is crap in the North West. However, the way it's been spun into the supposed catalyst for some from of new North West economic power base is absolute bunkum. The major benefactor is Manchester

 

[SerenityNigh]

Your Goodison analogy sums up what the net effect will be. As it'll make travel into Manchester faster and therefore encourage retail shoppers from further afield as well as making the outer commuter circle wider.

I'm not saying it's bad news for the entire region, far from it as transport infrastructure is crap in the North West. However, the way it's been spun into the supposed catalyst for some from of new North West economic power base is absolute bunkum. The major benefactor is Manchester

No doubt, but the reality is they can help themselves. The major benefit is raw material/trade producers in Liverpool, Leeds, Birmingham, etc, that will be able to trade goods and services directly (or more easily) if infrastructure limits are removed.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No doubt, but the reality is they can help themselves. The major benefit is raw material/trade producers in Liverpool, Leeds, Birmingham, etc, that will be able to trade goods and services directly (or more easily) if infrastructure limits are removed.

That assumes that the current rail network was a tangible hindrance to trade in terms of transporting goods.

The new electrified rail network wouldn't solve it even if it was, as it's for passenger transportation.

 

[SerenityNigh]

That assumes that the current rail network was a tangible hindrance to trade in terms of transporting goods.

The new electrified rail network wouldn't solve it even if it was, as it's for passenger transportation.

I may be wrong on the materials side; seems like all I've read is pro-transit

http://www.economist.com/news/brita...ect-should-transform-region-manchester-united
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...eyond-hs2-and-build-liverpool-leeds-rail-link