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Wigan: By the numbers

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Wigan Athletic spent 8 seasons in the top flight before being relegated.

A tiny, mostly non league, team this was a glorious period for them. Even reaching two cup finals and winning one, which is more than a lot of other clubs have done in that time period. FFS, Moyes.

It's a big achievement.

The question is, given their tiny crowds, is it managerial genius that kept them there or did Dave Whelan give them enough money that you'd expect them to do it?

Wigan under Paul Jewell

After having gained promotion twice in three years to take them from the third flight to the top, while spending barely any money (he literally didn't buy a player for their championship promotion campaign) Jewell set about keeping them up.

In 2005-06, Wigan only paid their players 20.6 million combined. The third lowest in the league above only west brom and sunderland both of whom went down. They also sold 7.8 million pounds of talent as their players got noticed. They did however spend nearly 11.5 million in the market. Only 12 teams had a bigger net spend that year. Though wigan admittedly had more room for improvement than others.

Still they had an excellent season. 13th biggest spenders (net transfers), 18th biggest spenders (wages), 10th in the league, Cup runners up.

2006-07, they again had the third lowest wage bill in the league above only two relegated teams. They spent 15 million but earned 10 million from transfers. 11th biggest spenders (net transfers), 18th biggest spenders (wages), 17th in the league, early exits in the cups.

And them Jewell left. In his two seasons in the top flight he spent 9.25 million net in the transfer market (27.05 million gross) and paid 48.1 million in wages. So a total expenditure of 28.7 million a season. No other club spent that little in either of his seasons and stayed up.

The Bruce years

In 2007-08 wigan's wage bill had risen to 38.4 million, the 15th biggest in the league, they also spent just over a million in the market, selling players for 11 million and buying others for 12.

18th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 14th in the league, early exits in the cups.

By 2008-09 that wage bill had increased again to 42.1 million but was still the 15th biggest in the league. They did however spend no money in the transfer market. Selling players for 15 and a half million, they invested only 15 million of that back into the market and made a profit.

14th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 11th in the league, early exits in the cups.

And then Bruce left. He'd spent less than a million net but, like Jewell, 27 million gross. In total, transfers and wages, he spent 81.15 million or 40.6 million a season. They were one of the five lowest spenders in the league in both seasons and never finished in the bottom 6 in his time there.

Martinez

2009-10, in Martinez' first season his first order of business was to sell off two of bruce's buys for a combined fee of 22 million. Nice. Only 6.7 million of this was spent on transfers. The other 15 million was made by the club. Not only that but their wage bill dropped to 39 million.

16th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 16th in the league, early exits in the cups.

2010-11, he invested 7.5 million of the money earned the previous year into transfers, buying 9 million pounds worth of players and selling only Bramble and Scotland. The wage bill rose back up to 39.9 million.

9th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 16th in the league, early exits in the cups.

2011-12, wigan made nearly 2 million from transfers. They spent only 8 million and sold nzogbia for nearly ten just by himself. Their wage bill also dropped to only 38 million.

15th biggest spenders (net transfers), 17th biggest spenders (wages), 15th in the league, early exits in the cups.

2012-13, wigan again made nearly 2 million in the market, this by time by selling moses to Chelsea and reinvesting only 8.3 million back into the market. Their wage bill remained just under 38 million.

18th biggest spenders (net transfers), 19th biggest spenders (wages), 18th in the league, cup winners

Martinez has been very clever about getting good money for players he sells, he has made 11.65 million in the transfer market and yet has a relatively quality team. His current squad cost him 30 million in transfer fees, compared to reading and Norwich's 17 million or the 20, 22, and 27 million Fulham, west brom and Swansea paid for theirs and yet he made a profit doing so. That shows what good value he is getting out of the transfer market.

In his four years he spent 154.6 million on wages and made 11.65 million in the market (though he spent 32.1 million gross) so 142. 95 million in total or 35.8 million a season. They were the third lowest spenders in every single one of his seasons (normally they had a slightly bigger wage bill than the bottom 3 but funded it by a negative net spend).

So yeah, it's a club that should be going down and only very good management by all three of their managers kept them up as long as it did.

The interesting thing about this from an outside point of view, is jewell spent 9 million net on transfers, bruce less than a million and Martinez made more than 11 million in the market.

It seems to mean not less money being spent but rather a change of tactics. Jewell kept his team up (and indeed into the top half and to a cup final) while paying them basically championship wages (the third lowest wages in the league). By the time Bruce took over someone clearly decided that they weren't going to keep staying out of the bottom 3 without offering more money as wages than that as they wouldn't be able to either attract or keep players of the standard required.

Since then they've made an effort to be paying at least more money in wages than 3 to 5 other teams. (Though I suspect Whelan has a wage cap of 40 million and that's why Bruce left.) And they make up this money by not spending all their outgoing transfer fees.

Again I suspect Martinez has been told by Whelan that his wage bill has to be below 40 million and anything above 35 has to be funded by outgoing transfers. In short they're gambling that they're good enough at buying low and selling high to pay a wage good enough to attract players good enough for 17th. They're not gambling on a manager who uses tactics and motivation to get players on low wages to play better than the market dictates like they were under jewell (Indeed they went down this season when their wage bill was one of the bottom 3 in the league for the first time since Jewell). The manager's main job is to raise money in the market, which Martinez and Bruce have done excellently in.

It was almost inevitable that when the other clubs around them started matching their wages without having to fund that by selling their best players that Wigan could go down, and so they did. Partly this can be put as a failing of the manager, Martinez simply wasn't capable of producing a team who over 38 games would perform better than their agents reckoned their players would, his team was basically the sum of it's parts. If he paid 50k a week to eleven players then his team played like a team worth 550k a week, managers like allardyce, moyes and jewell who favour organistaion and systems over individual brilliance tend to get their teams higher than the wage bill dictates, martinez didn't. But the financial situation was basically a strightjacket for him in that the need to sell to fund his own budget stopped him ever being able to advance his team as he had to tear it apart every year and it was almost inevitable he would fail eventually. And he did win an FA cup which is difficult to argue against.
 
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I think the people of Wigan need to get behind their local side more.

I know that's rich coming from an Everton fan who lives in Stockport. Fact is, Stockport County are in the Blue Square North and are getting crowds of 6000 to some of their home games and often out number the home fans on away days.

And I still get down to a County game when I can. I plan to do so as much as I can next season because I highly expect there to not even been a Stockport County in a few years time.

Wigan are in the Premier League, with a cup final on the horizon, and they still can't sell out the relatively small DW Stadium.

Sort yourselves out Wiganers!
 
I think the people of Wigan need to get behind their local side more.

I know that's rich coming from an Everton fan who lives in Stockport. Fact is, Stockport County are in the Blue Square North and are getting crowds of 6000 to some of their home games and often out number the home fans on away days.

And I still get down to a County game when I can. I plan to do so as much as I can next season because I highly expect there to not even been a Stockport County in a few years time.

Wigan are in the Premier League, with a cup final on the horizon, and they still can't sell out the relatively small DW Stadium.

Sort yourselves out Wiganers!

Incredibly cheap tickets, too. Costs less to watch premier league wigan than non league luton.
 
They seem to always sell their 2 best players every year, but still unearth new players every summer.
 

Incredibly cheap tickets, too. Costs less to watch premier league wigan than non league luton.

You know, it's hard to say whether I would have always been an Everton fan if Stockport County had been where Wigan are now when I first became football aware. One of the reasons that drew me to Everton in the first place is that County didn't have much of a profile, even in their own town. I wasn't even aware they existed until they had that run in the Milk Cup because no one ever seemed to mention them. That's the honest truth. I never supported them because it just wasn't an option.

If I was growing up in Wigan now, I might have actually ended up being a Wigan fan. I mean, I don't know why local Wiganers support Man United and Liverpool other than they are glory chasers. They've got a local team who are actually decent, why don't they root for them?
 
Wigan Athletic are, as we all know, the only football club to play in the top flight of English football and never be relegated from it.

A tiny, mostly non league, team they reached the top flight for the first time a few a years back and have remained there ever since. Even reaching two cup finals, which is more than other clubs have done in that time period. FFS, Moyes.

It's a big achievement.

The question is, given their tiny crowds, is it managerial genius that keeps them up or does Dave Whelan give them enough money that you'd expect them to do it?

Wigan under Paul Jewell

After having gained promotion twice in three years to take them from the third flight to the top, while spending barely any money (he literally didn't buy a player for their championship promotion campaign) Jewell set about keeping them up.

In 2005-06, Wigan only paid their players 20.6 million combined. The third lowest in the league above only west brom and sunderland both of whom went down. They also sold 7.8 million pounds of talent as their players got noticed. They did however spend nearly 11.5 million in the market. Only 12 teams had a bigger net spend that year. Though wigan admittedly had more room for improvement than others.

Still they had an excellent season. 13th biggest spenders (net transfers), 18th biggest spenders (wages), 10th in the league, Cup runners up.

2006-07, they again had the third lowest wage bill in the league above only two relegated teams. They spent 15 million but earned 10 million from transfers. 11th biggest spenders (net transfers), 18th biggest spenders (wages), 17th in the league, early exits in the cup.

And them Jewell left. In his two seasons in the top flight he spent 9.25 million net in the transfer market (27.05 million gross) and paid 48.1 million in wages. So a total expenditure of 28.7 million a season. No other club spent that little in either of his seasons and stayed up.

The Bruce years

In 2007-08 wigan's wage bill had risen to 38.4 million, the 15th biggest in the league, they also spent just over a million in the market, selling players for 11 million and buying others for 12.

18th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 14th in the league, early exits in the cup.

By 2008-09 that wage bill had increased again to 42.1 million but was still the 15th biggest in the league. They did however spend no money in the transfer market. Selling players for 15 and a half million, they invested only 15 million of that back into the market and made a profit.

14th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 11th in the league, early exits in the cup.

And then Bruce left. He'd spent less than a million net but, like Jewell, 27 million gross. In total, transfers and wages, he spent 81.15 million or 40.6 million a season. They were one of the five lowest spenders in the league in both seasons and never finished in the bottom 6 in his time there.

Martinez

2009-10, in Martinez' first season his first order of business was to sell off two of bruce's buys for a combined fee of 22 million. Nice. Only 6.7 million of this was spent on transfers. The other 15 million was made by the club. Not only that but their wage bill dropped to 39 million.

16th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 16th in the league, early exits in the cup.

2010-11, he invested 7.5 million of the money earned the previous year into transfers, buying 9 million pounds worth of players and selling only Bramble and Scotland. The wage bill rose back up to 39.9 million.

9th biggest spenders (net transfers), 15th biggest spenders (wages), 16th in the league, early exits in the club.

2011-12, wigan made nearly 2 million from transfers. They spent only 8 million and sold nzogbia for nearly ten just by himself. Their wage bill also dropped to only 38 million.

15th biggest spenders (net transfers), 17th biggest spenders (wages), 15th in the league, early exits in the club.

2012-13, wigan again made nearly 2 million in the market, this by time by selling moses to Chelsea and reinvesting only 8.3 million back into the market. Their wage bill remained just under 38 million.

They are currently 18th and in a cup final.

Martinez has been very clever about getting good money for players he sells, he has made 11.65 million in the transfer market and yet has a relatively quality team. His current squad cost him 30 million in transfer fees, compared to reading and Norwich's 17 million or the 20, 22, and 27 million Fulham, west brom and Swansea paid for theirs and yet he made a profit doing so. That shows what good value he is getting out of the transfer market.

In his four years he spent 154.6 million on wages and made 11.65 million in the market (though he spent 32.1 million gross) so 142. 95 million in total or 35.8 million a season. They were the third lowest spenders in every single one of his seasons and never finished in the bottom 3 (normally they had a slightly bigger wage bill but funded it by a negative net spend).

So yeah, it's a club that should be going down and only very good management by all three of their managers has kept them up.

A lot of teams have held that "honour" at some point though. Wimbledon were the latest recipients I guess. That being said, your analysis is very interesting, as two of the three managers I personally dont rate that highly, (but what do I know?). I like the fact they are still around as a footie club in a Rugby heartland, but would have a friendly fiver that the current holders of the "Never been relegated from Div1 " cup wont be the holders in 2-3 years.
 
The interesting thing about this from an outside point of view, is jewell spent 9 million net on transfers, bruce less than a million and Martinez made more than 11 million in the market.

It seems to mean not less money being spent but rather a change of tactics. Jewell kept his team up (and indeed into the top half and to a cup final) while paying them basically championship wages (the third lowest wages in the league). By the time Bruce took over someone clearly decided that they weren't going to keep staying out of the bottom 3 without offering more money as wages than that as they wouldn't be able to either attract or keep players of the standard required.

Since then they've made an effort to be paying at least more money in wages than 3 to 5 other teams. (Though I suspect Whelan has a wage cap of 40 million and that's why Bruce left.) And they make up this money by not spending all their outgoing transfer fees.

Again I suspect Martinez has been told by Whelan that his wage bill has to be below 40 million and anything above 35 has to be funded by outgoing transfers. In short they're gambling that they're good enough at buying low and selling high to pay a wage good enough to attract players good enough for 17th. They're not gambling on a manager who uses tactics and motivation to get players on low wages to play better than the market dictates like they were under jewell (Indeed they might well go down this season when their wage bill is mostly likely to be one of the bottom 3 in the league for the first time since Jewell). The manager's main job is to raise money in the market, which Martinez and Bruce have done excellently in.

It's interesting because that's basically what everton and arsenal do too. The three least ambitious teams in the league. We all invest heavily in wages and pay for that by selling players and pocketing some of the transfer fee.
 
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The interesting thing about this from an outside point of view, is jewell spent 9 million net on transfers, bruce less than a million and Martinez made more than 11 million in the market.

It seems to mean not less money being spent but rather a change of tactics. Jewell kept his team up (and indeed into the top half and to a cup final) while paying them basically championship wages (the third lowest wages in the league). By the time Bruce took over someone clearly decided that they weren't going to keep staying out of the bottom 3 without offering more money as wages than that as they wouldn't be able to either attract or keep players of the standard required.

Since then they've made an effort to be paying at least more money in wages than 3 to 5 other teams. (Though I suspect Whelan has a wage cap of 40 million and that's why Bruce left.) And they make up this money by not spending all their outgoing transfer fees.

Again I suspect Martinez has been told by Whelan that his wage bill has to be below 40 million and anything above 35 has to be funded by outgoing transfers. In short they're gambling that they're good enough at buying low and selling high to pay a wage good enough to attract players good enough for 17th. They're not gambling on a manager who uses tactics and motivation to get players on low wages to play better than the market dictates like they were under jewell (Indeed they might well go down this season when their wage bill is mostly likely to be one of the bottom 3 in the league for the first time since Jewell). The manager's main job is to raise money in the market, which Martinez and Bruce have done excellently in.

It's interesting because that's basically what everton and arsenal do too. The three least ambitious teams in the league. We all invest heavily in wages and pay for that by selling players and pocketing some of the transfer fee.

Ironically, Wigan and Arsenal look set to do quite well from FFP, where as many seem to think it will sink us
 
Ironically, Wigan and Arsenal look set to do quite well from FFP, where as many seem to think it will sink us
Arsenal have the 2nd highest turnover in the league, of course they will do well under a system that limits expenditure based on a club's turnover.

Wigan are about to go down so I don't see how it will help them.
 

That's some homework you've done AF :lol:

I was always of the impression that Jewell had only had success at clubs that had let him spend fairly heavily, so looks like I was wrong. He's still a beaut though.

I think the general consensus is that Wigan Football Club lose out to Wigan Rugby League in the fanbase department. I'm sure it is true to an extent, but those two teams seasons overlap. I've come to believe that Wigan locals just prefer to support out of town teams - probably because the football club wasn't high profile until not so long ago. If you go in sports shops in Wigan you will see more Man Utd, Liverpool and even Chelsea replica shirts than Wigan FC.
 
Having lived in Wigan since being 1 years old. I went to games in the championship and league one as it was a good game to watch. As soon as they came up I stopped going. Wigan is very much a rugby town, even now where Wigan are probaly just as known for both the school fields near me have now got rugby posts rather than football posts (to which they have had for 20 years). It's such a small place, the longer Wigan stay up in a good position, the more fans they will get through children coming through and wanting to go, it would be the same with any club.

As someone has pointed out the thought of the two seasons only overlapping a little doesn't matter. Wigan Rugby hate Wigan football, and vice versa. I actually knoew quite a few people who support Wigan Athletic, but then support St Helens or Warrington, and vice versa, with supporting Bolton/Blackburn but then supporting Wigan Warriors. Very few actually support both, there lies the problem.
 

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