Why we don't beat the smaller teams, but do well against the better ones

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The main criticism of Moyes, amid widespread praise for his decade in charge of the club, has been for being too defensive. But 'defensive' is a broad term that encompasses various aspects of play – the more specific allegation is that he is too reactive, too keen to change things according to the opposition's strengths, rather than imposing his own style of football upon the game. That submissive nature has been more obvious this season – Everton's average possession was 51% in 2009-10, 50% in 2010-11, but down at 46% this campaign.

Such a reactive approach means Everton are well-suited to facing bigger opponents, but picking up wins against weaker opposition is more of a problem, as they look uncomfortable when forced to make the running. From their last seven games, Everton have beaten Manchester City, Chelsea and Tottenham, yet drawn with Aston Villa, Blackburn, QPR and Wigan, all 1-1.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/12/david-moyes-harry-redknapp-tactical-breakdown


I broadly agree. We've all been frustrated at watching our lads struggle to know what to do with the ball in open play. But give the opposition the ball or give us a dead ball then we look coherent again.

It may be this limitation which prevents Moyes getting that job offer from the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea or Spurs...which further means we are likely to still have him in the next few years to come.

Moyesy, you're a legend, mate! But alas you're not perfect. Here's hoping you play Liverpool a little more proactively then what we've been used to, I have a feeling reactive tactics won't be enough for the derby.


I thought we'd have a poll as well, so you can choose whether, given our current squad, we are doing well with Moyes' reactive tactics, or whether you think we'd do even better if Moyes let us be all free and hippy-like in our play.
 

I believe that we always play bollocks against poorer teams because they treat us with respect and don't press forward and attack too much, whereas the bigger teams (City, Chelski etc.) look to come at us and attack, we simply can't break down and score against teams who don't pour men forward trying to score.

This and the fact that Moyes thinks there's a rule that means you can't make attacking changes before the 87th minute...
 
Moyes is a reactive tactician but I think the reason why we've not managed to run over small sides is that they, as FG said play us with respect, and the fact we've been lacking of quality in depth most of this season. What's our biggest win this far? 2-0? Top scorer Drenthe with 4 with his limited appearances.
 

I'd be perfectly happy if we went to greyskull, nicked an early goal and protected it, as we have done against City, Chelsea and Spurs.

I think maybe the problem we have with lesser sides is that our concentration isn't as sharp. We leak sloppy goals and we don't work as hard to get ahead.
 
I'd be perfectly happy if we went to greyskull, nicked an early goal and protected it, as we have done against City, Chelsea and Spurs.

I think maybe the problem we have with lesser sides is that our concentration isn't as sharp. We leak sloppy goals and we don't work as hard to get ahead.

This. Too often players switch off once (Howard far too often) and it results in a goal especially against crap teams, Blackburn opening day of last season springs to mind amongst others.
 

Pretty spot on that write up.

Against the lesser teams its a "lets see how this pans out" rather than going in for the kill. Against the top teams, they have a go and we stop them and hope to nick a goal.

Its a reactive approach, reacting to the opposition rather than imposing a style
 
It was only a couple of seasons ago we could give the lower teams a dicking but hardly took a point off the top 5.


true: it was only after beating Chelsea in the Spring of 2010 that our excellent run vs the 'big' clubs really took off. But we generally have always played reactive tactics under Moyes (remember those epic 1-0's during the 04/05 season). This season it's just become more obvious, probably because we lost Arteta, who had a long poor spell during most of 2010, but generally was our main pro-active force in the team.

Osman can approach that at times, and Pienaar with his industry and Drenthe with his spontaneity can too...but generally we're still missing that constant creative drive in our team.
 
we do have our own game: be reactive. Moyes will never change. Its keep the team shape first. If he had money we'd be like mourinho team at chelsea: defensive first but with quality players to destroy opposition.
 
we do have our own game: be reactive. Moyes will never change. Its keep the team shape first. If he had money we'd be like mourinho team at chelsea: defensive first but with quality players to destroy opposition.

We're definately like a 'poor mans version' of that. How many teams have we played against that have outplayed us despite having worse players, but we've come out with some kind of result due to having that extra bit of 'quality' at the right times. It seems Moyes depends on that to give us results, as opposed to setting out the team to create goals thru good play.
 
Its funny in the years we were bashing every team below us in the table and were lucky to scrape 3-4 points/season against the top 4 it was also because of Moyes tactics.

I think a big part of it is the lack of success we've had on free kicks/corners. How many times in the past few years have we played kind of lousy against a bad team but then got bailed out by a free kick (they used to account for almost a 1/3 of our goal tally)? For a few years we were the best in the prem at it. There was once a time when Arteta was one of the best corner takers in the world and every time he had the ball he got fouled. Plus he got to boot it to a murders row of various players like Saha, Cahill, Lescott, Yobo, Anichebe, Yak, Duncan etal. You couldn't cover them all.

Now its just Old Cahill and Fellani who are target men.
 

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