Which clubs will come out of this pandemic in the best/worst shape?

[jaycee]

That idea is already being floated.

So is 5 and in,winner stays on and underwater headers and volleys

 

[Rob17896]

This Is very hypothetical at the moment as there are still so many variables involved. However would be interesting to hear others thoughts on which teams they believe will be in threat of liquidation and why? As well as potentially who may benefit given their current situation.

I would expect that clubs like us and City could be in one of the stronger positions when all this is over as both have owners willing to invest their own to help the club.

I fear for teams like Bournemouth who, if the season is voided will be in massive financial constraints with money already been spent that they expected to come in for TV deals that will be owed back.

If football finance is going to be in a poor state for a long time to come, don't be too sure investors will be throwing it in any longer. They might want to wait like most business at the moment. Or they might see an opportunity to get ahead...

 

[COYBL25]

So is 5 and in,winner stays on and underwater headers and volleys

Pretty sure Notts County spent massive as well and they had a Spanish lad on 10K a week.

Imagine him turning up at that ground for the first time and seeing that uncovered terrace goal end, with all the weeds poking through lol

 

[jaycee]

Pretty sure Notts County spent massive as well and they had a Spanish lad on 10K a week.

Imagine him turning up at that ground for the first time and seeing that uncovered terrace goal end, with all the weeds poking through lol

Im surprised theres still so many clubs around now,I used to work with a couple of fellas from Crewe,they were quite well in with the upper echelons of the club,around the time we sold Rooney there was interest in a young Crewe player from a PL club,he wasnt interested because it would involve a pay cut

 

[catcherintherye]

Speaking purely objectively here and not because they're our rivals, I suspect Liverpool (like @catcherintherye has said) amongst others will feel the pinch.

I'm not saying they rely on their large match-day incomes, but the money they generate from gate-receipts, corporate revenue, merchandise and sponsors is hefty.

The more a club makes on match days, the more they have to lose if playing games behind close-doors becomes protracted - potentially a fair few months.

Ultimately, it'll boil down to what percentage of their match day revenue they rely on for core finances (wages and repaying loans etc.), but they will feel it.

It may simply be they can't spend as they had planned to do over the next season two or the worst case scenario (for them!) they will have to offload some assets.

I would suspect that the likes of Manure, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea will feel it too although some may have large reserve sums (or backers) to cover the cost.

That's obviously PL clubs by the way because I think we all know that the lower leagues are really going to suffer from this because it is a pivotal revenue stream!

This is a really difficult discussion. How are we defining "best position" out of this mess? Who falls the least? Who can re-emerge with the highest turnover, or the smallest debt, who is going to go through most transformational change, who is going to be at the bottom of the league, who is going to see their spending power fall the most, who is going to have owners who won't help them through this process, who is going to show the biggest loss of revenue in either short/long term, who is going to post the biggest debts etc etc? All of the above will probably give you different answers, so it's a really difficult question to answer categotically.

My own assumptions from this would be;
1) Clubs with the highest wage bills are most exposed. Thats the biggest expense, and it's one that is very difficult to reduce
2) TV revenue will be the most secure form of revenues over the forthcoming periods. TV companies get the most back from the money they put in (product, in a tie when product is desperately needed and we are short of it).
3) Clubs who rely more on gate money and sponsorships are more exposed. It may be a year until we can start to open grounds. Sponsors are not paying now. Re-commencement may not see them being willing or able to re-enter those contracts. I would imagine there are break clauses that allow this to happen.In the US they have Great Depression levels of unemployment, and most sponsors are in the US. when their economy tanks (this is just first phase) companies will be belt tightening.

4) Owners view of a football club will be critical in the forthcoming period. All clubs will need support, and frankly every club will be in a loss. Those who have shown a willingness to pump money in are most likely to do this. In the impending chaos, those who want to buck the trend could do very well from this. Owners who see it more as an investment portfolio may well act as a further rock on their clubs. Particularly those in America, where their economy is going to be badly affected. They may start to utilise their English investments to help stabilise their portfolio's in America.

5) Clubs who rely on trading players for profit are going to be in big trouble with collapsing prices. That could be clubs who sell to the PL selling upwards. It could also be clubs that tend to collect young players, and send dozens out on loan with the hope they sell them on for a greater fee and thus showing an increase in book value. For the next couple of years, their won't be the money to even pay their wages, nor any sort of fee at the end of it. There will also be more attractive loans available.You could be left having 60+ pros, on reasonable contracts you can't shift.

I can't say much more than that really. People can read into the above as they wish. It can play out in different ways, and the specifics may vary, but the broad trends will probably be in place. The idea that all clubs suffer equally is untrue. All clubs will suffer certainly, but it's not an equal process.

Even without Moshiri Everton would not be the worst placed on the criteria above. We would hope that there is either a uniform wage reduction agreement, and ideally one that allowed contracts to be broken. With Moshiri, we could be quite well placed.

 

[Brisan123]

Spurs posted a 120 million profit in its last set of accounts. Its Wages to turnover ratio is one of the best in the league at just over 40%. They also have 160 million in its accounts.

While we posted a loss of 110 million and have a wages to turnover ratio of 85% with 10 million in its account.

On top of that we want to finance a 500 million stadium which costs will spiral.

If you think Spurs are going to suffer then whats going to happen to us??

Usmanov

 

[Moomin]

Usmanov

Spurs are self sufficient , we rely on sugar daddies.

If something was too happen to Moshiri and Usmanov we would be screwed.

 

[Yarrgh]

Pretty sure Notts County spent massive as well and they had a Spanish lad on 10K a week.

Imagine him turning up at that ground for the first time and seeing that uncovered terrace goal end, with all the weeds poking through lol

Did he have the same agent as Sandro? I would have that guy as my agent any day of the week if I was a football player.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The PL clubs with the highest matchday revenues, corporate sponsorships and TV appearance money will be worst hit.

I saw some figures the other day that estimated the loss per club as it stands and if the season isn’t played out. We stood to be £42m down, and by comparison the RS were £102m in the hole.

 

[JamieH]

I don’t doubt that clubs with the highest wage bills are gonna find it Extremely hard with such big cuts in revenues etc. But some saying we‘ll come out of it well? We’re gonna be losing revenue too y’know, our wage bill is the 6th biggest in the League, whilst wages to turnover ratios is running the worst in the Prem.
This after posting record losses. 188m turnover with a wage bill of 145m. Commercial revenue was 41m which I’d imagine we’d be losing a fair chunk of, we raked in 14m from match days. Take all this into account we would be close to paying 100% of our annual turnover out in wages for the next 12 months. Not good for us not good for ANY team, it certainly doesn’t stand us in a good position as some seem to suggest. We also owe 74m in transfer fees this year. We have a billionaire owner, his value will have taken a massive short term hit too. I’m not as confident as some about our immediate future and would be very surprised if the ground wasn’t delayed for a year or 3. The team that will benefit are probably state sponsored City and Newcastle, if it comes off. Everyone else could be in dire straits.