Universe, religion and the 7 planes of existence

[Pat's Van]

The man with the Golden Slumbers.

beautiful stuff

 

[njligernj]

That is very closeted, and a train of thought unable to step outside of it's own remit will only find itself in a dead end.

That's not true though. It's a nice idea but lots of people have had a single-minded train of thought and succeeded. Yes it's better to be open minded but it's not the only path to truth.

I think your point of view is very closeted because it's based entirely on what we have done in our specific situation.

the natural religion of the pagans, original religion, was naturalism, it measured the movements of planets and stars

What if we couldn't see any other stars/planets?

Morality isn't a scientific approach but it has greater affect upon science than the theory of relativity, since proven wrong by quantum physics, predicted by Einstein, and evolving, like nature, and not standing still. Science, like nature is organic.

If we were wrong then we could be wrong now. We could be even more wrong. But the truth is out there. As you said yourself we might not need maths as we understand it (other methods could be used and work); so why do we need spirituality as you understand it?

 

[magicjuan]

Spirituality, as I understand it, is on an individual basis, each has his own journey, all we have to measure ourselves is by what we see around us, and the way we see stars and their movement is different from the way the ancients saw stars, the issue is philosophical to a degree, and in how each individual perception is presented to others. There are shared experiences, and by attempting to limit them to a catch all, as in systems, takes away any individual quest, wonder or understanding. Science by that affect has become a religion itself, and only by individual perception does it advance as a framework.