BlueLlama
10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
it could be argued a giraffe isnt a camelidae
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it could be argued a giraffe isnt a camelidae
Pat's Van
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is it not ?? no wonder he changed his name
no I jest, I love Clint, he's one of the good guys
BlueLlama
10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
Pat's Van
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listen furry bollox there's the first paragraph
Camelids are members of the biological family Camelidae, the only living family in the suborder Tylopoda. The extant members of this group are: dromedaries, Bactrian camels, llamas, alpacas, vicuñas, and guanacos.
Camelids are even-toed ungulates classified in the order Artiodactyla, along with pigs, hippopotamus, deer, giraffes, cattle, goats, antelope, and many others
now you're lucky I'm up late bored tonight or I wouldn't have quoted that
but anyways, they're all fkn commies, camels and llamas and giraffes and hippos and that so the sooner they're all wiped out by global warming or deforestation or whatever the better !!!
BlueLlama
10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
They are both ungulates but a giraffe is not a camelid.
Admittedly though as they are all none aquatic if the gays keep it up they will all be swept away
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haha owned you there lid didn't I on that last post, proper owned you
no worries old flump, apology accepted xx
BlueLlama
10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
ha ha preperations are underway to save all camelidae!
[video=youtube;1rlCysv4pzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlCysv4pzk[/video]
Right back at ya PV
Pat's Van
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remember when I told clint he'd picked the wrong guy for an argument ?
yeah well I didn't expect to be outflanked by a fkn david attenborough wannabe !!!
that vid's pretty special though !
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what a legend
jokes aside though UKIP are steamrolling their way to power in this country and I cant wait to see the 3 traitors at westminister booted out.
Labour: we claim to be for the working class yes support the EU/open door immigration to lower wages/add more competition for jobs with you guessed it the working class. Claim to be against the rich yet were in the bankers pockets same as the tories and have members who send their kids to private school (abbott) and have £800,000 mortages on their mansions (Miliband)
Conservatives: fracking will lower energy prices (but not promising us that of course) promise a referendum with no plan to give it, Eton school boys club.
Lib Dem: out of touch liberal clowns enough said.
A major simplification really but then it's a good example of why our 'democratic' system of governance is flawed. Some of what you say is accurate (Labour cosying up to the banks and so on, New Labour being anything but a working class party, the Eton school boys club that is the Tory party these days) but alot of it is just your own frustration with the state of the society you inhabit being spewed into a vaguely relevant area of politics.
Voters either make their minds up right off the bat: take my own dear mum for example, I'm pretty sure she's never put a cross in any box other than Labour since she was eligible to vote. She takes pride in the Scouse resistance to all things conservative. So, I reckon a Labour MP could punch her in the face and she'd still vote for them. I mean, she likes to think she's informed and knowledgeable about the world and the decisions she makes, but that's just rubbish. She has her own political bias which informs all her opinions on the issues to be voted on. Likewise, you then get everything from 'Muslamic Ray Guns' to the self-satisfied berk whose suddenly discovered Question Time and has decided to buy the Guardian not just to look 'intellectual' but to be one of the 'trendy' intellectuals. Before you know it they're affixing their four-colour Che Guvera poster, spending their afternoons in Starbucks hunched over their iPad tweeting about the anti-feminist, anti-minority chauvinist agenda of the evil white male. These people are all in their own way basing their vote on foundations of sand.
Take for example what you're saying Big Doug. You can't get anymore for the working class than the European Union, it is the last great socialist empire and if the working man's plight is your chief concern then you should look to encourage our greater integration into the EU. We are one of the least favourable countries in Europe when it comes to our working class, we are one of the most unfair countries in distribution of wages and so on; they're the reasons why Europe is disparaged and discredited by a large chunk of the political machine because it is they who stand to lose the most from European unity. Here's a great example: in the early 90s the EU voted on a maximum working week of 48 hours. Not only were we the only opposing force, we did our damnedest to get that law repealed. Our government went to the European Court of Justice - at great taxpayer's expense I'm sure, as they always love to remind us - to force the rest of Europe to accept our country's desire to squeeze every last hour from those willing to give it. The EU has a long history of fighting for the rights of individuals.
Also, the point you make about the open door immigration leading to lower wages is the opposite of what will happen. Listen, the jobs worth having as a working class man - the careers, the jobs-for-life, the unions, the communities, the security of those jobs - have gone with the industrial sectors that provided them. Where have these jobs gone, apart from over the years through more and more mechanical labour thanks to technology? They've gone overseas. That's right, I mean why go through the hassle of waiting for a few Poles to trickle through to your factory door who are willing to work a couple more hours for a couple less quid and not ask for so many days off... rip that factory down, move all production to the cheapest source of reliable, compliant labour and watch the profits soar.
Wages here are set by law and though shameless businesses have been trying their hardest to get themselves as many 'interns' and 'triallists' as they can to work for free for a few weeks, that isn't legal. No-one should accept wages lower than the minimum, and they should feel justified in taking such employers to a tribunal. It is certainly a problem that immigrants will accept less wages for the simple fact that the cost of living is so much higher than their home countries, and it is equalising these standards and rights that is the benefit of EU integration. The aim is to improve the lives of the Polish or the Romanians or whoever it may be through hand-holding their government into passing the sorts of fundamental laws that can and will really make a difference, and once the legal integration is complete it will be an attractive proposition to fair investment, and the countries economy will grow and with it so too the wages, so that Britain is no longer such an undesirable location for, say, a factory.
I don't know what your point on fracking is. Fracking will lower energy prices because the only reason it's now viable is due to the astronomical price of energy. A new source of fossil fuels without any transport or import costs will certainly make an impact, but the risk is also quite high I would think: this isn't the barren open wastelands of Siberia, Abu Dhabi even the coal fields of Kentucky or the huge tar sands in Alberta. Those places are enormous stretches of mostly uninhabited land, whereas we are one of the most densely populated countries on the planet and I think fracking poses a really high risk because of that...
What referendum?
And 'out of touch liberal clowns enough said' is just typical. I think because they're such an easy target thesedays if you're intent on doing as I suggested, i.e. spewing your pent-up frustrations with society in vague, aimless directions then the Lib Dems are the perfect choice to unload on. You don't even need to explain it and people will agree.... those out of touch liberal clowns!
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Pretty much covers all, apart from this concept of the EU as a socialist bastion. Really? When you pick through the reality of the machinery of the EU and see who benefits from its workings, it isn't the proleteriat, it is corporations, it is a capitalist and corporatist construct, and when those two ideals are merged you have fascism.
There is no 'political landscape' anymore, there is only, and to a great extent has only ever been, illusion of democracy, as all flavours melt into a single existence serving business.
For every benefit portrayed as being for the good of 'ordinary' people there is an alternate benefit to corporations in addition to multiples of legislation enabling the chase for profit to take precedence over the welfare of the people.
Ever since the public swallowed the 'trickle down' element of capitalism they have waited and waited and waited...
The EU supports corporatism, it is a politicised, in appearance, trading block, not between nation states, but between conglomerates and for conglomerates. It has fooled enough people to still exist despite it being a parody of what it was sold as
Pretty much covers all, apart from this concept of the EU as a socialist bastion. Really? When you pick through the reality of the machinery of the EU and see who benefits from its workings, it isn't the proleteriat, it is corporations, it is a capitalist and corporatist construct, and when those two ideals are merged you have fascism.
There is no 'political landscape' anymore, there is only, and to a great extent has only ever been, illusion of democracy, as all flavours melt into a single existence serving business.
For every benefit portrayed as being for the good of 'ordinary' people there is an alternate benefit to corporations in addition to multiples of legislation enabling the chase for profit to take precedence over the welfare of the people.
Ever since the public swallowed the 'trickle down' element of capitalism they have waited and waited and waited...
The EU supports corporatism, it is a politicised, in appearance, trading block, not between nation states, but between conglomerates and for conglomerates. It has fooled enough people to still exist despite it being a parody of what it was sold as
Really folks???
Now I applaud the way we go from the politics to alpaca's and giraffes, really a work of art there. But the way threads have been going recently, I don't think it is a good idea to leave this open for further discussion. All that needs to be said has already been said.
Ciao.
Now I applaud the way we go from the politics to alpaca's and giraffes, really a work of art there. But the way threads have been going recently, I don't think it is a good idea to leave this open for further discussion. All that needs to be said has already been said.
Ciao.
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