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[Big Fat Sam]

Bolt and Blake will be next.

Imagine it turns out Bolt has been using them since he broke onto the scene.

The money that cart has made from cheating Would be nearly as bad as Armstrong!

 

[Moomin]

What's dangerous about it?

I have my doubts on how they are getting signed off for HGH, not dangerous for the competitors taking it, I'm thinking of the danger for the opponents in the fight.

 

[moosed]

this **** happens in every sport including football, infact its probably ridiculously rampant in football due to the incredibly slack testing methods the sport uses.

Just in the past two months we've had admissions from half the 1998 French team of organized doping, the doctor on the Euro 2000 italian team, positive testes for EPO from the entire 1996 Juventus champions league winning squad, and George Finidi and Ronald de Boer from Ajax who lost that final reacting with "Why would we feel cheated? We did the same."

Most of it was barely reported in most media. Because it's football. The only real difference with football is that FIFA do a terrific job of hiding it under the mat. Or as notorious doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes said: "I can't say what I know because I've received several death threats...and also because I love my country so I don't want us to lose the Euro, the World Cup and every olympic medal since 1992".

It's football. Like in tennis there's barely any testing. Michael Ashenden, one of the world's top anti-doping figures recently published a comparison of the tests done over the course of a year on a top cycling team (Rabobank) and a top football team (Ath. Bilbao).

Bilbao were tested 3 times. Once Gurpegi who was recovering from injury and thus would never test positive for a performance enhancing drug, and the other two times the third string goalkeeper who wouldn't ever get play in any circumstances. Rabobank were tested well over 400 times during the year.

 

[EvertruvianMan]

And amazingly only three medalists from London 2012 have had their medals stripped from them. The operative word there was medalists because I'll wager dollars to dingo-droppin there were hundreds more.

 

[maddison]

Some guy on another forum made an interesting post explaining how top level athletes get away with doping, is probably Mads...

"Sprinters use mostly:

• hGH at a fairly low dose. The low dose is to avoid gaining water weight (or even excessive muscle weight) which would slow them down. It is mostly used to enhance recovery, allow them to tolerate more volume of work and MOSTLY for tendon strethening/repair. Sprinters are like F1 racing cars: high performance but break VERY easily. A common approach is 4-6IU EOD.
• Insulin. This is to facilitate recovery by enhancing glycogen resynthesis following training. It isn't used all the time; mostly after the most grueling training days (e.g. a day where they would have both high volume track work and strength training)... sprinters normally strength train 3 or 4 days a week, so they use insulin 3-4 days a week on average. (Dont try this at home, insulin is very dangerous if you dont know what you are doing)
• EPO. The role of EPO for improving endurance is well known. For that reason it is mostly associated with endurance athletes and it is often assumed that it doesn't give anything to the power/strength athlete. That is not true. EPO allows one to tolerate a greater overall volume of work and increases the rate of recovery. In performance athletics, drugs are mostly used to allow the athlete to train more often and with more volume.
• Testosterone. Some synthetic steroids might be used far away from competition (if the athlete doesn't live in a country that conducts random testing) but testosterone is the most comonly used AAS to improve strength and power. It is much easier to pass the drug tests when using testosterone, especially since some natural compounds can decrease the testo/Epitesto ratio that is used to test for testostetone use. A lot of athletes can get away with 50mg of testosterone propionate or suspension every 3 days without testing positive... some races can even use much higher doses of testosterone than that because they lack the enzyme UGT2B17 which increases testosterone excretion in the urine. Approximately 60% of Asians have very low levels of this enzyme. More than 50% of the individuals having low levels of enzymes can take 300-400mg of testosterone per week and not test positive."

The OP is pretty long, and goes on to basically say that they don't want to catch them all as it would destroy the sport. Bit depressing if true, but... meh.

Some of the drugs are right, but the dosing and some of the reasoning is off. SARMS would also be a big thing. Goodness knows what masking agents are out there.

I have my doubts on how they are getting signed off for HGH, not dangerous for the competitors taking it, I'm thinking of the danger for the opponents in the fight.

Mail order, or they'd just go abroad or find someone who does. It's not difficult to get hold of.