Troy Davis executed in Georgia

Nordecke · September 25, 2011

zed said:
ya gotta get away from splitting hairs on the one hand and over-simplifying on the other.1/... there is no `might` about it in parenting , you get out what you put in- 100%. make no mistake. 2/ `to provide for their children` thats an individuals choice, but you dont get those times back. the big telly should wait imo.

Zed, DBRAG is a child himself I'm guessing with no kids?

Am I right DBRAG?

Once you have a child you will see first hand how you and your other effect everything. And I mean EVERYTHING.

zed · September 26, 2011

Nordecke said:
Zed, DBRAG is a child himself

i guess i just dont understand kids

Seamus Colemole · September 26, 2011

Nordecke said:
Zed, DBRAG is a child himself I'm guessing with no kids?

Am I right DBRAG?

Once you have a child you will see first hand how you and your other effect everything. And I mean EVERYTHING.

Child. I'm 33 for FFS

But yeah i don't have a child of my own.

So i understand how that might mean i see things from a different aspect to those with children in certain cases.

I do agree with a lot of what Zed is saying here, good decent parenting has a big influence to raising a good decent child, and bad parenting a big influence on raising a bad child.

Its just the extent to which you can "blame" a parent when a child becomes a murderer that we differ from. There's a bit difference between that and a child not having good manners for instance.

I believe from what ive read the first 6 months or so in a childs life are very important,for exapmle if child feels neglected at that young age it can have a negative effect on it which can cause serious problems such as those seen in sociopaths. All because the father was out working and the mother had 2 other kids to look after.

Doesn't make them bad parents though.

Sure you can look back in hindsight and look at factors which might have made a child grow up to be a killer. But its impossible to see anything as that child is growing up and say "yes, that child WILL become a murderer later on in life".

Guess what i'm trying to say is that you can say blame the parents for someone being a kilelr, but you cannot point to anything which actually proves that, you cannot say yes thats exactly what they did wrong which made their child a murderer.

There are outside influences as well. Other children, what they see and what they read, very little things which can seem insignificant at the time and to everyone else can have devastating affects on people.

Nordecke · September 26, 2011

deathbyropeandglass said:
Child. I'm 33 for FFS But yeah i don't have a child of my own.

So i understand how that might mean i see things from a different aspect to those with children in certain cases.

I do agree with a lot of what Zed is saying here, good decent parenting has a big influence to raising a good decent child, and bad parenting a big influence on raising a bad child.

Its just the extent to which you can "blame" a parent when a child becomes a murderer that we differ from. There's a bit difference between that and a child not having good manners for instance.

I believe from what ive read the first 6 months or so in a childs life are very important,for exapmle if child feels neglected at that young age it can have a negative effect on it which can cause serious problems such as those seen in sociopaths. All because the father was out working and the mother had 2 other kids to look after.

Doesn't make them bad parents though.

Sure you can look back in hindsight and look at factors which might have made a child grow up to be a killer. But its impossible to see anything as that child is growing up and say "yes, that child WILL become a murderer later on in life".

Guess what i'm trying to say is that you can say blame the parents for someone being a kilelr, but you cannot point to anything which actually proves that, you cannot say yes thats exactly what they did wrong which made their child a murderer.

There are outside influences as well. Other children, what they see and what they read, very little things which can seem insignificant at the time and to everyone else can have devastating affects on people.

No denying that mate, I just think strong moral ethics and a caring family can prevail.

Seamus Colemole · September 26, 2011

Nordecke said:
No denying that mate, I just think strong moral ethics and a caring family can prevail.

I can't really argue against that, a good upbringing is very important of course.

Its just never the only factor.

And i'm really struggling to explain exactly what i mean here, just can't find the right words but for me its hard to define exactly what is "bad parenting" in order to target exactly what parents may of done wrong when their kid kills someone.

It goes beyond the more obvious things like absenteeism and abuse, not teaching good morals and can be such things as being too harsh, or not harsh enough. Being to smothering or letting your child have too much freedom, stuff like that. Impossible to say when actually raising a child which is the right way to do things, but easy to look back and point fingers at where they might of gone wrong. But like i say, at the time no one can accuse a parent of rasing their child wrong and that they WILL grow up to kill someone.

Be kinda good if we could though of course!

Seamus Colemole · December 28, 2011

Just found this, its from March of this year :

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...an-wrongfully-convicted-man-gets-squat/73197/

Basically a man on death row for 14 years and just one month from being executed has his conviction quashed because the prosecutors witheld evidence during the original trial.

Just backs up my view that the finality of the death penalty means cases like this can happen but have no chance of a wrongful conviction being corrected once the punishment is carried out.

And to top it all after the now released man sued the convicting attourneys and being found guilty of witholding evidence by a jury some judges overturned that decision to allow the attourneys to basically get a way with it.

With "justice" like that no mans life should ever be put at stake.

Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian · December 28, 2011

It awarded Thompson $14 million -- one million for each year the man had wrongly spent on death row, you could say. The district attorney, Harry F. Connick (yes, the famous singer's father) appealed.

So it was Jr's arl fella that was to blame.