Tonights footy

[toffeejack]

We've had luck in buying well on the cheap and selling large (Lescott) or getting a gem from the academy (Rooney).

Without those two sales, we'd be in desperate trouble.

We're everton mate, we didn't get relegated with players like williamson and farrelly, there's no chance we would have got relegated when the bottom half of the prem is made up of championship standard teams

 

[Tubey]

We're also quite lucky that we're based in Liverpool. If we were based in Fiji and had to fly to all the away games, we'd be in real troubles. Plus we'd have much smaller crowds and so less income. We really dodged a bullet on that one, like.

Funny.

 

[Allezfan]

We're also quite lucky that we're based in Liverpool. If we were based in Fiji and had to fly to all the away games, we'd be in real troubles. Plus we'd have much smaller crowds and so less income. We really dodged a bullet on that one, like.

On second thoughts this is probably a bit too dismissive and rude.

I get your point that our business model is reliant on us being able to sell players for big money in order to cover our losses and that's simply not reproducable nor advisable if it is. I just dislike the insinuation that what goes well for us is pure luck, while everything that goes badly is the status quo. If nothing else, it seems to ignore the fact that buying players cheap and improving their quality is an actual policy, it's not like it happened when we were trying to do something else. Lescott was intended to be a football player who was worth more then he paid him for, we didn't hire him as a ball boy and got lucky. It was a case of our policy working spectacuarly, which any policy will do on occassion. It's one thing to say that's not sustainable and quite another to write of any sucesses as pure fortune.

 

[Allezfan]

Funny.

Yeah, I owe you an apology for that. You deserved more of a response than just a wise crack.

 

[Tubey]

On second thoughts this is probably a bit too dismissive and rude.

I get your point that our business model is reliant on us being able to sell players for big money in order to cover our losses and that's simply not reproducable nor advisable if it is. I just dislike the insinuation that what goes well for us is pure luck, while everything that goes badly is the status quo. If nothing else, it seems to ignore the fact that buying players cheap and improving their quality is an actual policy, it's not like it happened when we were trying to do something else. Lescott was intended to be a football player who was worth more then he paid him for, we didn't hire him as a ball boy and got lucky. It was a case of our policy working spectacuarly, which any policy will do on occassion. It's one thing to say that's not sustainable and quite another to write of any sucesses as pure fortune.

Fair enough.

I'd just argue that Moyes in his first six years at the club is the sole reason we're in the position we are now, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with Kenwright. I'd like to give him credit as I recognise he's a Blue, but I can't, as he has invested nothing at all in the club since taking over.

 

[Tubey]

Yeah, I owe you an apology for that. You deserved more of a response than just a wise crack.

No worries mate.

 

[Allezfan]

Fair enough.

I'd just argue that Moyes in his first six years at the club is the sole reason we're in the position we are now, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with Kenwright. I'd like to give him credit as I recognise he's a Blue, but I can't, as he has invested nothing at all in the club since taking over.

Don't get me wrong. I'm strongly in the 'Kenwright out, Moyes out' brigade after the last two seasons, too. I just honestly can't see relegation as a possibilty right now, while I know you're really scared of it.

I might be being wilfully blind, but it's midtable stagnation and increasing apathy that strikes me as the most likely consequence of the status quo. Not that that's acceptable either like.

 

[Tubey]

Don't get me wrong. I'm strongly in the 'Kenwright out, Moyes out' brigade after the last two seasons, too. I just honestly can't see relegation as a possibilty right now, while I know you're really scared of it.

I might be being wilfully blind, but it's midtable stagnation and increasing apathy that strikes me as the most likely consequence of the status quo. Not that that's acceptable either like.

I'm worried of complete collapse if we lose certain players and don't reinvest. If we're still in the top ten three years from now, I'll be delighted, but my fear is that we have a boardroom who get by with the papering over the cracks job Moyes is doing.

If we sell Fellaini, Baines and Jagielka (all not beyond the realms of possibility) and find ourselves with only 50% of their respective fees to reinvest, we're only a few Bilyaletdinovs away from having a truly terrible side.

Whilst conversely, if we kept those players and invested in two or three decent players, we're on the verge of pushing the top six hard - possibly the top four.

So it's a weird situation. I don't even know if I'm in the "Moyes Out" crowd anymore. I'm so apathetic about the club that regardless of the manager we're not going to push higher than 7th. I think we can do far, far better than Moyes but getting rid of him ahead of Kenwright would be like whitening your teeth when what you really need is a root canal.

What I am glad about is that I no longer think relegation is likely within three years. The quality of the rest of the league has degraded to the point where the top ten sides in the Premier League may as well be in a separate division from the rest. Long may that continue.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Will Blackburn's reserves now also be demoted or does their league have it's own system ?

only ask cos they play at Leigh Sports Village near me.

 

[Allezfan]

I don't even know if I'm in the "Moyes Out" crowd anymore. I'm so apathetic about the club that regardless of the manager we're not going to push higher than 7th. I think we can do far, far better than Moyes but getting rid of him ahead of Kenwright would be like whitening your teeth when what you really need is a root canal.

My view on that is while we can't challenge in the league unless we get new owners, we could at least try playing good football from august onwards rather then only when we've got 40 points on the board, actually give our kids starts, play our best eleven most games, turn up for the derbies and bottle it less often in the cups.

For a midtable team it's stuff like that which makes the difference between enjoying watching the game and not.

 

[Dom1878]

Just going to use this thread...

Liverpool Vs Chelsea tonight, Ivanovic just hit the post with a header