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The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gooney (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:20
I expect him not to adjust the only strength Stoke has and we will concede 2 goals. i can see him not using his defense in a way that can deal with stoke in the air like playing Vermaelen-Koscielny-Mertesacker-Djourou.
Instead i predict he will play with Kos and Vermaelen in the middle with Gibbs and Jenkinson in the middle. If this happens and we get dominated in the air. It will prove once for all why Wenger is clueless tactically and that its whats keeping him from being a great manager. he's too predictable and is not a flexible manager
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:22
Bore off.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:41
You can't beat stoke at their own game...
Stoke will adjust to play us and not the other way around..
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: I_got_Gooneria (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:42
wow gooney if you are so knowledgeable, then why not you show us how its done, manage a team? If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.....
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:44
AW works by getting his team to believe that if they play to their strengths they cannot be beaten. It is partly a psychological thing. Guardiola was similar, but with more resources.
Whereas the tinkering manager is focussed on the opposition and more pragmatic, players take confidence from his ability to figure out the opposition. Mourinho is the current exemplar of this.
The philosophies are difficult to combine, Fergie can do it but he has other things going for him like signing players from rivals and being an intimidating legend. And he still cocks it up like at City last year.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:44
I'm confident we will beat stoke convincingly.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Shane1988 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:46
You're a classic example of someone who plays Championship Manager too much.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: tigerline (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:46
I make no comment concerning wenger at this time.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:51
Quote:
gooney
I expect him not to adjust the only strength Stoke has and we will concede 2 goals. i can see him not using his defense in a way that can deal with stoke in the air like playing Vermaelen-Koscielny-Mertesacker-Djourou.
Instead i predict he will play with Kos and Vermaelen in the middle with Gibbs and Jenkinson in the middle. If this happens and we get dominated in the air. It will prove once for all why Wenger is clueless tactically and that its whats keeping him from being a great manager. he's too predictable and is not a flexible manager
Or it proves you have no clue Gooney.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:08
I said a few days ago I would pick that defence Gooney's gone for. We need height against Stoke, there's no getting away from it. If Alex's Ferguson was the Arsenal manager he'd pick that defence.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:21
Yes but with no full backs we will keep losing the ball and thus be both more likely to concede and less likely to score.
They will dominate us in the air regardless, it is about organisation not personnel. Come on people!
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:30
I'd pick Verm and Kos as the full backs just for this game. I would say they are better on the ball then Gibbs and Jenkinson.
I see no need at all to play full backs in this game.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:32
You are aware that losing a header on the wing does not mean we will concede a goal.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:41
Yeah, am also aware that Gibbs bottles headers in our box against them, leading us to lose games.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:42
newcatsle beat them twice last season, they have one of the shortest defences in the league
when is the stupidity ban kicking in padre
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:55
Why would you want to get banned 'Grapefruit!'
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:56
Our Willy is right arsenal are the poor man's barcelona
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gooney (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 17:33
Quote:
Goofle11
You are aware that losing a header on the wing does not mean we will concede a goal.
no im thinking more of throw ins and corners, how you gonna deal with that? believe in your passing game? its about getting real and adopting to opposition.
And the moron who says those fullbacks means we cant keep positions. Since when is gibbs and jenkinson superior footballers to kos and vermaelen?
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Slordio (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:11
There is no way Jenkinson should ever be playing for Arsenal. Just not good enough I'm afraid.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Flava (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:16
Kos at RB, Gibbs at LB.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: SandyB (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:21
That defense will fail allover as it did couple of matches last season. To play Stoke, attack is the best defense.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:58
Kos and Verm are good on the ball in the centre! They are actually pretty limited in terms of providing an option down the wing and creating space for our attackers. Whereas Gibbs and Jenks are naturals at doing so. They need to improve at things like covering for CBs but how will they do that if they don't play games like this? Don't forget whose cover tackle saved our season either...
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:18
Willy, Jenkinson and Gibbs add nothing going foward in my opinion, and like you said they ain't the best at covering our CB's. Winning the 2nd ball will be important and with natural CB's they are more likely to 'over cover' then naive full backs.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:20
Quote:
Willy
Kos and Verm are good on the ball in the centre! They are actually pretty limited in terms of providing an option down the wing and creating space for our attackers. Whereas Gibbs and Jenks are naturals at doing so. They need to improve at things like covering for CBs but how will they do that if they don't play games like this? Don't forget whose cover tackle saved our season either...
Too right Willy.
We will prevail. I fear for Meatlockers ankles on the Stokey turf more than Jenks and gibbs playing FB!
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:23
Philly, who do you want marking crouch?
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:31
Mertesacker.
That said, Crouch, being right footed will end up in Verms zone. So having Meatlocker marking him on set plays may not necessarily be the best option.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/08/2012 19:32 by Philly the kid.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 20:00
Quote:
Flava
Kos at RB, Gibbs at LB.
I can live with that, even though he is by far our best center back. Jenkinson is so bad though.
Posted by: gooney (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:20
I expect him not to adjust the only strength Stoke has and we will concede 2 goals. i can see him not using his defense in a way that can deal with stoke in the air like playing Vermaelen-Koscielny-Mertesacker-Djourou.
Instead i predict he will play with Kos and Vermaelen in the middle with Gibbs and Jenkinson in the middle. If this happens and we get dominated in the air. It will prove once for all why Wenger is clueless tactically and that its whats keeping him from being a great manager. he's too predictable and is not a flexible manager
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:22
Bore off.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: De Times (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:41
You can't beat stoke at their own game...
Stoke will adjust to play us and not the other way around..
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: I_got_Gooneria (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:42
wow gooney if you are so knowledgeable, then why not you show us how its done, manage a team? If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.....
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:44
AW works by getting his team to believe that if they play to their strengths they cannot be beaten. It is partly a psychological thing. Guardiola was similar, but with more resources.
Whereas the tinkering manager is focussed on the opposition and more pragmatic, players take confidence from his ability to figure out the opposition. Mourinho is the current exemplar of this.
The philosophies are difficult to combine, Fergie can do it but he has other things going for him like signing players from rivals and being an intimidating legend. And he still cocks it up like at City last year.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: SuperRob (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:44
I'm confident we will beat stoke convincingly.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Shane1988 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:46
You're a classic example of someone who plays Championship Manager too much.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: tigerline (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:46
I make no comment concerning wenger at this time.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 15:51
Quote:
gooney
I expect him not to adjust the only strength Stoke has and we will concede 2 goals. i can see him not using his defense in a way that can deal with stoke in the air like playing Vermaelen-Koscielny-Mertesacker-Djourou.
Instead i predict he will play with Kos and Vermaelen in the middle with Gibbs and Jenkinson in the middle. If this happens and we get dominated in the air. It will prove once for all why Wenger is clueless tactically and that its whats keeping him from being a great manager. he's too predictable and is not a flexible manager
Or it proves you have no clue Gooney.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:08
I said a few days ago I would pick that defence Gooney's gone for. We need height against Stoke, there's no getting away from it. If Alex's Ferguson was the Arsenal manager he'd pick that defence.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:21
Yes but with no full backs we will keep losing the ball and thus be both more likely to concede and less likely to score.
They will dominate us in the air regardless, it is about organisation not personnel. Come on people!
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:30
I'd pick Verm and Kos as the full backs just for this game. I would say they are better on the ball then Gibbs and Jenkinson.
I see no need at all to play full backs in this game.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:32
You are aware that losing a header on the wing does not mean we will concede a goal.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:41
Yeah, am also aware that Gibbs bottles headers in our box against them, leading us to lose games.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:42
newcatsle beat them twice last season, they have one of the shortest defences in the league
when is the stupidity ban kicking in padre
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:55
Why would you want to get banned 'Grapefruit!'
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 16:56
Our Willy is right arsenal are the poor man's barcelona
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gooney (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 17:33
Quote:
Goofle11
You are aware that losing a header on the wing does not mean we will concede a goal.
no im thinking more of throw ins and corners, how you gonna deal with that? believe in your passing game? its about getting real and adopting to opposition.
And the moron who says those fullbacks means we cant keep positions. Since when is gibbs and jenkinson superior footballers to kos and vermaelen?
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Slordio (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:11
There is no way Jenkinson should ever be playing for Arsenal. Just not good enough I'm afraid.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Flava (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:16
Kos at RB, Gibbs at LB.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: SandyB (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:21
That defense will fail allover as it did couple of matches last season. To play Stoke, attack is the best defense.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Willy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 18:58
Kos and Verm are good on the ball in the centre! They are actually pretty limited in terms of providing an option down the wing and creating space for our attackers. Whereas Gibbs and Jenks are naturals at doing so. They need to improve at things like covering for CBs but how will they do that if they don't play games like this? Don't forget whose cover tackle saved our season either...
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:18
Willy, Jenkinson and Gibbs add nothing going foward in my opinion, and like you said they ain't the best at covering our CB's. Winning the 2nd ball will be important and with natural CB's they are more likely to 'over cover' then naive full backs.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:20
Quote:
Willy
Kos and Verm are good on the ball in the centre! They are actually pretty limited in terms of providing an option down the wing and creating space for our attackers. Whereas Gibbs and Jenks are naturals at doing so. They need to improve at things like covering for CBs but how will they do that if they don't play games like this? Don't forget whose cover tackle saved our season either...
Too right Willy.
We will prevail. I fear for Meatlockers ankles on the Stokey turf more than Jenks and gibbs playing FB!
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:23
Philly, who do you want marking crouch?
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Philly the kid (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 19:31
Mertesacker.
That said, Crouch, being right footed will end up in Verms zone. So having Meatlocker marking him on set plays may not necessarily be the best option.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/08/2012 19:32 by Philly the kid.
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Re: The stoke game will prove once for all that Wenger lacks tactical knowledge
Posted by: Goofle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 August, 2012 20:00
Quote:
Flava
Kos at RB, Gibbs at LB.
I can live with that, even though he is by far our best center back. Jenkinson is so bad though.
