The Waiting Game

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Im sure its great and all that, but I stopped here :


Yet there´s no denying that on a business level he´s kept us treading water whilst other sleeping giants like Leeds and Birmingham have sunk like a stone due to inept ownership.

10/10 for effort tho.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Im sure its great and all that, but I stopped here :


Yet there´s no denying that on a business level he´s kept us treading water whilst other sleeping giants like Leeds and Birmingham have sunk like a stone due to inept ownership.

10/10 for effort tho.
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What part of that is incorrect :) We're treading water, are we not? Leeds and Birmingham have to varying degrees bottomed out completely, have they not? ^^
 
As Cahill said, what if we did fork out £20m in loans to fund a striker and they didn't work out? Who's fault would that be?
 

Mvflusk said:
As Cahill said, what if we did fork out £20m in loans to fund a striker and they didn't work out? Who's fault would that be?
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You can say that about every transfer

We spent 9mill of lescott money on Bilya..

At this point of kenwright and Moyes' tenure ...it's futile buying anyone for stupid money as we are not going to get anywhere on the back of it

If that was going to happen, it should've happened when we were on the brink of doing something
 
Good read that, Tubes. That's pretty much my opinion on the matter.

I'm not happy -- obviously -- and our naivety in a business sense is startling and seemingly won't go away. But on the flipside if we went out and spunked money we didn't have then it surely wouldn't end well. Especially when you look around and see teams paying £20 million for Stewart Downing and £24 million for Darren Bent. At these prices we'd need to spend closer to £100 million to have any solid chance of breaking the top 4.

That said there has to be something in between not spending anything and spending yourself into oblivion. I would have thought that £9.5 million for N'Zogbia wouldn't have broke the bank, would have appeased the fans and crucially, would have improved the team. That one's not materialised for a number of reasons, but it ultimately boils down to the business side of the club lacking in ideas and general acumen.

The only way forward I can see -- because I'm not one for speculation or half-baked "just get investment ffs how hard can it be!?" ideas -- is to sell an asset for a large fee. We've done this two times in recent years and both have benefited the club. Rooney eased our debt and Lescott allowed us to buy 3 players. The problem of course is that clubs wanted Rooney and they wanted Lescott and they were clubs ready to pay. Rodwell comes to mind as our most sellable big-money asset, because he's the only player who could command a high fee who isn't intrinsic to the current team set up. But he still hasn't established himself and he didn't have a good u21 campaign. What kind of fee could he command at this time, with us looking to sell rather than someone desperate to buy?

Jagielka is another one. If we could get Arsenal to pay £15 million, which is in my opinion as high as tight Arsene would go, could we utilise Heitinga, buy another cover CB and have enough left over to strengthen the squad? These are all questions I don't know the answer to, and I don't envy Moyes or the board, to be honest. The club is at a crossroads and needs to move forward, but every path is littered with potential landmines.

Just my two cents, anyway.
 
To b e honest, the article is pretty much a generalisation of the current circumstances surrounding Everton FC. Things that are 'common knowlege'.
To pick up on his point about Everton treading water and that Kenwright has effectively done a good job there with the financial papers looking relatively balanced - That is the whole problem, Kenwright has ONLY kept us treading water, that is not how to run a business, you have to make profit by buying, selling, promoting, expanding and negotiating in all areas. Kenwright is not shrewd enough and as such we are just about scraping by season in season out.
The answer lies here, we have to be a bit more aggressive and proactive in our approach. We should be further up the table and challenging the top four, why aren't we? Because of the 'sit back and play safe' approach, this has gone on since he took over 10 years ago, we could have been way up there now. And for the people who constantly slam these views and tell me and others that we are not in any problems because we finish 5th, 6th, 7th each season, then look at that statement and think to yourselves if Kenwright had maybe taken a few more punts here and there we could have been very very close in those seasons.
The manager is equipped, the roots and base of a team are there.....we just need shrewdness, aggression, determination and belief. Something will give, I firmly believe that a light will go on somewhere and this team will be on fire once again. Hold your heads up high blues and ride the journey, something will happen because it has to.
 

Beavis said:
To b e honest, the article is pretty much a generalisation of the current circumstances surrounding Everton FC. Things that are 'common knowlege'.
To pick up on his point about Everton treading water and that Kenwright has effectively done a good job there with the financial papers looking relatively balanced - That is the whole problem, Kenwright has ONLY kept us treading water, that is not how to run a business, you have to make profit by buying, selling, promoting, expanding and negotiating in all areas. Kenwright is not shrewd enough and as such we are just about scraping by season in season out.
The answer lies here, we have to be a bit more aggressive and proactive in our approach. We should be further up the table and challenging the top four, why aren't we? Because of the 'sit back and play safe' approach, this has gone on since he took over 10 years ago, we could have been way up there now. And for the people who constantly slam these views and tell me and others that we are not in any problems because we finish 5th, 6th, 7th each season, then look at that statement and think to yourselves if Kenwright had maybe taken a few more punts here and there we could have been very very close in those seasons.
The manager is equipped, the roots and base of a team are there.....we just need shrewdness, aggression, determination and belief. Something will give, I firmly believe that a light will go on somewhere and this team will be on fire once again. Hold your heads up high blues and ride the journey, something will happen because it has to.
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I'm not havng a go, but these phrases in bold seem a bit meaningless. I don't want to second guess what you're getting at but I am assuming that "having a punt" (speculate to accumulate?) is exactly the rub of the problem. After we qualified for the Champions League, we could have been more aggressive, pushed the boat out.

We could also have made exactly the same mistake as Leeds Utd. And that's the difficulty. Nobody knows the future.

Good article, mirrors some of my own views, fears and concerns.

Not read the Daily Fail article. I don't believe they have anything to teach me about Everton.
 
Mvflusk said:
As Cahill said, what if we did fork out £20m in loans to fund a striker and they didn't work out? Who's fault would that be?
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or even if we forked out £11m on a striker and he cant get in the team!!!!! who's fault is it?
 

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