The [Poor language removed] in takeover talks...

kenada_blue · January 23, 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7846422.stm

Which I find weird. They're in debt up to the eyeballs, have a stadium worht £300million to pay for, but a rich Arab (the 48th richest man in the world apprantly) is in talks to buy them....

AND WE CANT GET ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just dont get it really....

davek · January 23, 2009

As Bill says, there's no one out there now willing to buy clubs.

kenada_blue · January 23, 2009

Or no-one willing to buy our club more like.

Or Kenwright doesnt want to sell......

davek · January 23, 2009

Or maybe Bill's mate, Keith Harris, badly advised him earlier this month when saying this:

"The problem was not the price being asked but the general climate," he said. "In a way it is a wake-up call: we're in the toughest economic situation anybody has endured in our lifetime and that means we are unlikely to see much activity on the football takeover scene."
For Harris, a banker with the firm Seymour Pierce, that negative diagnosis includes Everton, which he remains instructed to sell, and the other Premier League clubs publicly for sale, including Portsmouth and Blackburn. He advised the billionaires who bought Chelsea, Aston Villa, West Ham and, at Manchester City, Thaksin Shinawatra, but now says the party is over and clubs – with Sheikh Mansour's City the exception – should go into 2009 committed to tightening belts, not hoping for a sugar-daddy saviour".

David Conn: Football finance expert Keith Harris says the game must face economic reality | Sport | The Guardian

If I were Bill I'd get right back on the phone to his 'expert' mate and tell him to get him the investor he says he desperately wants.

Bruce Wayne · January 23, 2009

Sure it has nothing to do with them being top of the table and having appeared in a couple of CL finals in recent years.

Sharpys top lip · January 23, 2009

And being a world brand!!

davek · January 23, 2009

Bruce Wayne said:
Sure it has nothing to do with them being top of the table and having appeared in a couple of CL finals in recent years.

Who, the club carrying the debts of a small third world nation?

Oh look, another club have found a string of suitors too: BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Chelsea | Arab tycoon considers Chelsea bid

You see it's the general climate that's to blame, not Everton's attractiveness - which is said to be a well run club isn't it?

As Bill said 3 weeks ago:

"Our search goes on. I sort of know why it hasn't happened yet. In the main, the economic climate for the last few months means no one has got the money to invest in football. Right now that is the biggest reason."

...apparently not, Bill.

GrandOldTeam · January 23, 2009

davek said:
As Bill says, there's no one out there now willing to buy clubs.

You said the same about Newcastle. How did they get on?

Bruce Wayne · January 23, 2009

Quite. Nothing to do with that though. Of course it's BK's fault that we're not top of the league, in CL finals and a global brand. Damn him, damn him to hell.

Bruce Wayne · January 23, 2009

davek said:
Who, the club carrying the debts of a small third world nation?

Oh look, another club have found a string of suitors too: BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Chelsea | Arab tycoon considers Chelsea bid

You see it's the general climate that's to blame, not Everton's attractiveness - which is said to be a well run club isn't it?

As Bill said 3 weeks ago:

"Our search goes on. I sort of know why it hasn't happened yet. In the main, the economic climate for the last few months means no one has got the money to invest in football. Right now that is the biggest reason."

...apparently not, Bill.

I forgot that we're on a par with Chelsea. Title winners, CL finalists, based in one of the wealthiest bits of London. You yourself have used the lack of new income from Kirkby as a stick to beat the club with. Compare that to the income Arsenal achieved from a new ground. Chelsea are looking to move too - cha ching.

Tell me Dave, how on earth are we considered as attractive a proposition as Chelsea? I would love to hear your rationale.

davek · January 23, 2009

GrandOldTeam said:
You said the same about Newcastle. How did they get on?

Did I? I dont remember that.

Regardless, at least Ashley was brought interest from Keith Harris from The U.S., South Africa and the Middle East, and had a buyer lined up until the prospective owners hit the buffers in a hedge fund loss.

Everton got....err....nothing. Still, you can only sell something that's for sale to all-comers - not 'the right people'.

GrandOldTeam · January 23, 2009

You certainly did. Quick search to find one of many of your constant references to Newcastle to have digs at Kenwright;

davek said:
Harris will find a buyer for Newcastle I'm pretty sure. That's because, as fas as I'm aware, Ashley has set no ridiculous preconditions for sale. Not so Kenwright and his 'we dont want anyone coming in with strange ideas'. WTF is that all about? I suppose strange to BK is someone coming in and buying a number of quality players on big salaries and winning something.

No sirreebob...we dont want any of that strangeness around these parts.

davek · January 23, 2009

Bruce Wayne said:
I forgot that we're on a par with Chelsea. Title winners, CL finalists, based in one of the wealthiest bits of London. You yourself have used the lack of new income from Kirkby as a stick to beat the club with. Compare that to the income Arsenal achieved from a new ground. Chelsea are looking to move too - cha ching.

Tell me Dave, how on earth are we considered as attractive a proposition as Chelsea? I would love to hear your rationale.

The rationale is sourced to the words of the Chairman himself: football in general has hit the buffers from a finite amount of people looking to buy clubs. It's the economic climate you see. Nothing to do with individual clubs in the Premiership being more attractibve than others. Well, interest from the Middle east and Europe in two of our clubs sort of undermines that argument.

We'll see how this pans out, but what does experience tell you Bruce, that Premiership clubs wont be likely to be the subject of takeovers in the forseeable? I think the reverse.

davek · January 23, 2009

GrandOldTeam said:
You certainly did. Quick search to find one of many of your constant references to Newcastle to have digs at Kenwright;

Right, and I was correct: he did find Ashley a buyer. (y)

kenada_blue · January 23, 2009

The Barcodes had about 6 people interested in buying. And after a few months the Geordie Ashley-Out Brigade died down, Ashley steadied the ship by getting a manager in, got a few results, and is staying on now - with even the fickle geordie's being fine with it.

The point being made is...if the economic climate is being blamed for Everton not being bought out why are clubs with £600+million in debt involved in takeover talks?

Yes, the [Poor language removed] are a big brand as are Chelsea, but the Sheiks dont give a [Poor language removed] about the current climate and if the clubs are in debt, they've got the money to buy them whether or not they make any money from them. The point is, we arent as much a financial risk than they are, and either way these people wouldnt care if we were £500million in debt or not.

Harris is saying no one is buying football clubs. But the rumours are saying there is and especially for clubs with close to 1billion in debt. They're not in it to make a profit, they're in it for glory and success, not financial reasons.

Overall, there are people willing to buy football clubs, we're supposed to be on the market (a high flying club in the top 6 will little debt compared to the clubs above and below us) but we're told no-one is interested in us because of the ecconomic crisis.

Doesnt make sense to me.