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sirblue57

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found this on another site, not sure if posted earlier.
Wow, where do we start? It’s been a whirlwind two weeks, and the response and support to our campaign has been fantastic. After setting up email, Facebook and Twitter accounts (currently 5000+ combined followers), we set about sending our first letter (which highlighted our issues and concerns) to journalists up and down the country. We got great help on Twitter with followers also contacting journalists urging them to take notice of our campaign. We got a breakthrough with Chris Bascombe at the News of the World who decided to take up our story. He published an online article which acknowledged how some Everton fans might be reaching breaking point with the Everton board. We hoped this would set the trend but then the NOTW went bust, and we thought this could be a sign of things to come! We were wrong.

Talksport have had us on twice, Brian Reade published a fantastic article in the Daily Mirror, we have set up a website and Dave Prentice at the ECHO has mentioned us regarding the fan unrest. The very least we have done is raise awareness, get people talking about Everton about what is, or is not, happening at the Club. The issues raised in our initial letter have caused debates on forums, chat rooms, and indeed on our own Twitter and Facebook pages. What is also clear is this has split the fans. What it has also done is got the Club to come forward, twice, to try and give their side of the story. Credit where it is due, you might say. However, what the Club have failed to do again is answer the difficult questions. They have failed to look at our issues and concerns, and instead decided to come out fighting and let everyone know what a great job Bill Kenwright and the board are doing. Club PR officer Ian Ross told everyone on Talksport that 85p in every £1 goes to Finch Farm, whilst CEO Robert Elstone released a statement which stated that he said that he and Kenwright would not talk to fans who wanted their jobs.

Some fans have also contacted us to say we should just ‘get behind the team’ or ‘at least Bill is a blue and isn’t as bad as Johnson’ and ‘we don’t want to be a Man City and sell our soul to foreign owners’. Having digested what the board, Club and some fans have had to say, we feel that our points are being completely missed, or in some cases, ignored.

The first thing we want to emphasise is that we fully support David Moyes and the players. Moyes can have his critics with regards to his tactics and substitutions etc.. But overall it is a sterling job he is doing under the tightest of financial restraints. We have quality players that any Premier League side would have including Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka, Marouane Fellaini, Mikel Arteta, and Tim Cahill. We have the leadership of Phil Neville, and the young guns including Jack Rodwell and Seamus Coleman. We support the team 100%. That can never be in question. It is improving on this team and squad that is the issue here.

Our issue is the Club’s inability to answer the issues raised. So without creating any further confusion as to what questions we want answering, here are the points in brief that we want the Club to answer.

If the Club is for sale and you are desperate for a billionaire etc… tell us what you want for the Club? There can be no excuses if you really want to sell something so badly for not letting fans know the price. Surely letting us know what you want will open the door to a wider audience. Or is the Club’s asking price too much? Kenwright himself has told us that interested parties tick all the boxes, so he clearly feels there has been ‘the right buyer’. Therefore it is a money issue.
What are Robert Earl, Jon Woods and Philip Carter’s input to the Everton board? Earl and Philip Green’s relationship and the BCR Sports Group registered to the British Virgin Islands in particular needs some serious looking into. After all, Earl has no intentions of investing in Everton Football Club, so why is he there?
Tell us how you plan to increase revenue streams, and tell us why should a board who in 11 years, having twice failed to deliver a new stadium, having NEVER found investment (despite the admittance of several interested parties) be allowed to continue. Anyone else who fails in their jobs like this would have been sacked or resigned by now. Convince us how you aim to take us forward. It’s not just about this season, it is about the future too.
With regards to the interested parties, tell us who they were. Tell us why they got to the last stages and all “disappeared” (Kenwright’s words, not ours). Tell us how all the money goes to Finch Farm but in the accounts £23m out of an £80m turnover, is classed as ‘other operating costs’.
If the banks will not lend to us anymore, how do you intend to support the manager not just now, but next year and the year after? How do you intend to pay the banks back, with all our assets having already been sold?
If you are serious about selling, and you have had no ‘luck’ so far, why not step down and put an interim board in place with the aim of selling the club. Martin Broughton anyone?
If 85p in every £1 goes to Finch Farm, and every penny is “re-invested in the club”, where is the Bellefield money? The Steven Pienaar money? The James Vaughan money? Not to mention the loan fees we received for Joseph Yobo, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Vaughan.
What has happened to the farce that is the Park End project? There has been a gaping gap in the wall all Summer, despite the club offering two different excuses as to why no ‘Everton Place’ has been delivered. It is embarrassing.

And in response to Robert Elstone’s blog last week when he said “should we engage with supporters who want us out of our jobs? We think not”. We think this sums our whole point up. We don’t want his job, we don’t want him out of a job. We just want him and the board to perform their jobs properly and answer the difficult questions, not the questions they choose to answer. If they cannot or refuse to do this, then maybe it is time to step aside.

The questions are simple, and it is about time they were answered. It is time for change in terms of the board’s refusal to answer questions. We as a Group do not believe we need a billionaire. The foundations are there thanks to David Moyes. The squad does not need a major overhaul and the ground issue can wait for now. Let us get the team challenging at the top end first, get the feel good factor back, get the ground sold out every week again, and the rest can follow. Moyes himself stated in May 2011

“Seventh might be as good as it can get for Everton with the resources and the way teams are spending now. I don’t think this football club needs hundreds of millions it just needs some fresh cash to try to start again and give us some impetus going into the new season.”

Well if Moyes thinks the same as us, we cannot be too far off can we?

We will continue working hard to get the media involved, to take up our issues, and to understand the fans frustrations. We will continue to build a good solid campaign. We do not advocate protests just yet, but if we keep getting ignored, and the Club refuse to engage with us, it may force us to reconsider our actions and aims as a Group. However, we want to remain as professional as can be, and we will stand by our aims for now.

We urge the media to run our story. We urge fans to back our campaign. Most of all, we urge the Everton Football Club Board to answer our questions. In the meantime we will get behind David Moyes and his team on the pitch.

We will not go away, and we will not be silenced.

It’s time for answers. It’s time for change.

The People’s Group
 

They're spot on to widen the debate out from Kenwright and shine the torch on the people who do call the shots in that boardroom (and those outside it). And Elstone gets some richly deserved stick for his blog last week.

I'd say they have a weak point though: this decision to state at every turn that they're on the same page as David Moyes. Well, what if, as he's done in the past, he comes out and gives the board his backing again? That's not good tactics to include amongst your numbers ANYONE from the club. It'll haunt them if they continue that approach.
 
Fair play to them. Their approach is more suited to my viewpoint than Evertonians for Change. As with E4C, good luck to them.

On the cynical side there are two things. One, I highly doubt that a multi million pound business like Everton would be allowed to siphon off money without the various legal professionals and chartered accountants looking over the accounts saying something about it, so I'd rather swerve that and concentrate on the other things they have said, like the appalling lack of investment and ambition for the club.

Secondly, I do hope it doesn't turn all People's Front of Judea and that.
 
I think there's something incredibly dodgy about Elstone. Normally when people miss the mood of the public when in a position such as his, it's because they're angrily trying to hide something. "Nip it in the bud" so to speak.
 
Fair play to them. Their approach is more suited to my viewpoint than Evertonians for Change. As with E4C, good luck to them.

On the cynical side there are two things. One, I highly doubt that a multi million pound business like Everton would be allowed to siphon off money without the various legal professionals and chartered accountants looking over the accounts saying something about it, so I'd rather swerve that and concentrate on the other things they have said, like the appalling lack of investment and ambition for the club.

Secondly, I do hope it doesn't turn all People's Front of Judea and that.

In terms of arguing with the different groups? or sitting around voting on what they want to do and not actually doing anything? or both?
 

They're going about it well

Not asking for heads but legitimate business questions as to why success on the field was not capitalised off it.
 
I honestly 100% agree and am at breaking point over the way the club is being run , i have said for a long time we have a life long everton fan ,who is world renown buisness leader a man who has taken a supermarket group to a level only seen by american giants wallmart , get sir terry in the hot seat tell bill its time to go , we as fans are the most understanding in the country ,but really enough is enough
we seem to be sitting on our backsides whilst other clubs move on ,into new stadiums and buy players look at us nothing , if are club has an accountant who is he ,and have we any scouts any more
 
I honestly 100% agree and am at breaking point over the way the club is being run , i have said for a long time we have a life long everton fan ,who is world renown buisness leader a man who has taken a supermarket group to a level only seen by american giants wallmart , get sir terry in the hot seat tell bill its time to go , we as fans are the most understanding in the country ,but really enough is enough
we seem to be sitting on our backsides whilst other clubs move on ,into new stadiums and buy players look at us nothing , if are club has an accountant who is he ,and have we any scouts any more

i only have one reservation about that, he was behind DK, so maybe not eh?
 
I think there's something incredibly dodgy about Elstone. Normally when people miss the mood of the public when in a position such as his, it's because they're angrily trying to hide something. "Nip it in the bud" so to speak.

He's got a job description that says "CEO". In reality he's just a club secretary, in the same way that Michael Dunford was. Say all we want about Keith Wyness (and I'm defo no supporter), but he was his own man and made decisions at the club which he felt were necessary and then spewed it when he realised he couldn't get the job done. Elstone is just there to keep the plate spinning. That's what he's tasked with.
 

Fair play to them. Their approach is more suited to my viewpoint than Evertonians for Change. As with E4C, good luck to them.


Secondly, I do hope it doesn't turn all People's Front of Judea and that.

What are you saying about the PFJ exactly?
 
Lets be realistic here. We've seen on this forum how people really believe at times that they know better than Moyes on footballing matters.

This simply smacks of similar people thinking they know it all on business matters as well.

For instance, asking what Earl et al do. They're investors. They buy shares in the club, just as anyone else can buy shares in any company. As with other investors, I dare say their main concern is to return a profit on that investment. This isn't Football Management here. Folks need to get real.

Tell us how you plan to increase revenue streams, and tell us why should a board who in 11 years, having twice failed to deliver a new stadium, having NEVER found investment (despite the admittance of several interested parties) be allowed to continue. Anyone else who fails in their jobs like this would have been sacked or resigned by now. Convince us how you aim to take us forward. It’s not just about this season, it is about the future too.

Complete tosh. Their job isn't to 'find investment'. In the 11 years they've been there, revenue has increased, and performance on the pitch has improved. They could rightly retort that they have done their job pretty well, so go and do one. Failing to do their job and should be sacked. FFS, who do these people think they are? A quick look in the dictionary for the word investment would be a start.

in·vest·ment/inˈves(t)mənt/Noun
1. The action or process of investing money for profit or material result.
2. A thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future.

So these people essentially want the board to find people who will buy our club to sell on later for a profit, yet they'll no doubt bitch like hell if BK wishes to do the same.

With regards to the interested parties, tell us who they were. Tell us why they got to the last stages and all “disappeared” (Kenwright’s words, not ours).

Good grief. Have you ever thought that people sign a non-disclosure when they bid? If you're trying to buy a house would you be happy for the estate agent to plaster your bid anywhere and everywhere? Get real.

If you are serious about selling, and you have had no ‘luck’ so far, why not step down and put an interim board in place with the aim of selling the club. Martin Broughton anyone?

Er, how about because the job of a board isn't to sell the company??

If 85p in every £1 goes to Finch Farm, and every penny is “re-invested in the club”, where is the Bellefield money? The Steven Pienaar money? The James Vaughan money? Not to mention the loan fees we received for Joseph Yobo, Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Vaughan.

I can't be arsed to delve through the accounts, but have you thought that perhaps wages have gone up? Does paying our star players more so they stay at the club not class as 'investment'?
 

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