The other side's view of Kendall

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That was a good read by the lad.fair play to him . I'd say it was impossible to dislike Howard.He was always respectful to them and was classy in victory or defeat. I can't believe im saying this but Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan were likeable in hindsight. Hated them at the time like
 
Thought it was quite refreshingly honest, whilst also being respectful. Still, it was Howard, you can't hate him!
 
No mention of Heysel. There's a surprise.

Decent enough tribute I suppose.

I do have to laugh at how they try and frame Everton's 80s period in reference to themselves; it's faint praise really. I also have to shake my head when they talk about the history of our rivalry with them in general. Let's have it right: they had their success and dominance over a 17 year period between 1973 and 1990....and 4 of those seasons was a struggle to stay with us. Before that they were nothing. The odd title and nothing else. The confirmed second best team on Merseyside for over 80 years. Shankly had to knock us off our perch. That's the truth of the matter. And since 1990 Liverpool have won a few second tier trophies (ones we'd love yes, but still second tier).

They really do need a reality check. They're nothing now. Just a museum piece in search of a revival.
 

That was a good read by the lad.fair play to him . I'd say it was impossible to dislike Howard.He was always respectful to them and was classy in victory or defeat. I can't believe im saying this but Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan were likeable in hindsight. Hated them at the time like

I think I'd say Roy Evans fits the Howard Kendall category very well actually. Always seems a very genuine nice man. He didn't have the success as a manager that Kendall had but seems a genuine nice man, always very measured whenever I hear him speak and speaks well of us. Just a sound football fella who you wouldn't mind spending a night in the pub with.

The same is true with Shankly for me. If you read how Royle, Kendall and especially Ball write about him they are very complimentary. He had a unique ability to make people feel special. I think Kendall had that too.
 
I think I'd say Roy Evans fits the Howard Kendall category very well actually. Always seems a very genuine nice man. He didn't have the success as a manager that Kendall had but seems a genuine nice man, always very measured whenever I hear him speak and speaks well of us. Just a sound football fella who you wouldn't mind spending a night in the pub with.

The same is true with Shankly for me. If you read how Royle, Kendall and especially Ball write about him they are very complimentary. He had a unique ability to make people feel special. I think Kendall had that too.
Id agree with you about Roy Evans. The job just seemed a bit to big for him.a bit similar to Colin Harvey. All the respect for our club seemed to disappear with the appointment of Houlier
 
No mention of Heysel. There's a surprise.

Decent enough tribute I suppose.

I do have to laugh at how they try and frame Everton's 80s period in reference to themselves; it's faint praise really. I also have to shake my head when they talk about the history of our rivalry with them in general. Let's have it right: they had their success and dominance over a 17 year period between 1973 and 1990....and 4 of those seasons was a struggle to stay with us. Before that they were nothing. The odd title and nothing else. The confirmed second best team on Merseyside for over 80 years. Shankly had to knock us off our perch. That's the truth of the matter. And since 1990 Liverpool have won a few second tier trophies (ones we'd love yes, but still second tier).

They really do need a reality check. They're nothing now. Just a museum piece in search of a revival.

Well yes this is exactly it. Most of the "tributes" to him on RAWK (the ones without the hashtag "#blueshite" on them) are basically an extension to eulogise themselves, big up "Kenny" and take sly digs at United. It's all a bit sad really. There's very little mention of Liverpool fans cheering for United in 1985.

The general approach seems to be;
1) Say something nice about Kendall in a patronising way with a sly remark. Say "He was a great manager for Everton, the best they'll ever have". Or "He built a great team, for 4 years they gave us a bit of competition".

2) Talk about Kenny. The attention then quickly shifts to Dalglish. "Dalglish then built his greatest ever team to in 87/88". As if Kendall and Everton are a footnote to their prolonged success (of 2 leagues in 30 years).

3) Talk about how rubbish football is now. "Kendall managed great teams, not like the United teams under Fergusan they could really play. Our 87/88 team wiped the floor with them though and would have beaten the United teams of the 90's".

4) Blame the deteriorating relationship on us. "Kendall showed us great respect unlike them now". "It used to be the friendly derby then, before they were rubbish and became bitter".

Essentially the whole exercise has been turned into them trying to;
1) Minimise United's success.
2) Minimise Everton's success
3) Re-write their own irrelevancy.
4) Self award themselves the "great fans" trophies for showing respect to a man who is widely loved across the game.

Very few of them have got the guts to say it as it is. That Kendall built a side that battered all before them including Liverpool. They were not our rivals, they were just another team we annihilated on our quest to glory. There was nothing Dalglish, Rush et al could do about it.
 

Id agree with you about Roy Evans. The job just seemed a bit to big for him.a bit similar to Colin Harvey. All the respect for our club seemed to disappear with the appointment of Houlier

Well yes. I think there is a lot in that. It was the first time Liverpool moved away from the "bootroom" culture. A Group of individuals started by Shankly with the soul aim of overcoming Everton. He was obsessed by outdoing us. But in trying to outdo someone comes a respect. Kendall too is very respectful of Liverpool, as is Southall. I think they were replaced with number of foreign managers who simply know nothing of the city's history and traditions and the rivalry that exists.

Evans wasn't really cut out for management. In the same way, deep down I don't think Kendall was in the 90's, certainly not to the level he managed in the 80's.
 
It's utterly repugnant.

I don't think that comment is so bad, as it least the intention is to be respectful. The rest of that article is ridiculous though. "The two clubs have gone in different directions". Right since we last won the league Liverpool have won it twice in 30 years and we've failed to win it, both have gone in the same direction, downhill. Nothing ceases to amaze me with their neurotic desire to falsify history.

As for disrespectful though, Klopp when asked about giving a tribute to Howard Kendall in his post match press conference said he didn't know who it was. He the said; A fairly disgusting comment, but one the kopites are trying to blame on the media.
"it’s not so fair to bring me this situation after one week. I don’t know so much about British football or British legends. There are other people at the club who can do this much better".

A fairly disgusting comment, but one the kopites are trying to blame on the media.
 
Well yes this is exactly it. Most of the "tributes" to him on RAWK (the ones without the hashtag "#blueshite" on them) are basically an extension to eulogise themselves, big up "Kenny" and take sly digs at United. It's all a bit sad really. There's very little mention of Liverpool fans cheering for United in 1985.

The general approach seems to be;
1) Say something nice about Kendall in a patronising way with a sly remark. Say "He was a great manager for Everton, the best they'll ever have". Or "He built a great team, for 4 years they gave us a bit of competition".

2) Talk about Kenny. The attention then quickly shifts to Dalglish. "Dalglish then built his greatest ever team to in 87/88". As if Kendall and Everton are a footnote to their prolonged success (of 2 leagues in 30 years).

3) Talk about how rubbish football is now. "Kendall managed great teams, not like the United teams under Fergusan they could really play. Our 87/88 team wiped the floor with them though and would have beaten the United teams of the 90's".

4) Blame the deteriorating relationship on us. "Kendall showed us great respect unlike them now". "It used to be the friendly derby then, before they were rubbish and became bitter".

Essentially the whole exercise has been turned into them trying to;
1) Minimise United's success.
2) Minimise Everton's success
3) Re-write their own irrelevancy.
4) Self award themselves the "great fans" trophies for showing respect to a man who is widely loved across the game.

Very few of them have got the guts to say it as it is. That Kendall built a side that battered all before them including Liverpool. They were not our rivals, they were just another team we annihilated on our quest to glory. There was nothing Dalglish, Rush et al could do about it.
Got it in one.

Of course, there's no way our team's 1980s achievements can be measured without context, but they (Kopites) do two things wrong:

1/ they frame it as the achievements of a club that's come out of nowhere to take the glory for a few seasons - disregarding the fact that Everton had been easily the bigger club with the bigger and more successful history, and had been a force in the English game for almost a century when they'd been for the most part of that a bit of a laughing stock poor relation to Everton in national terms.

2/ they seem to think it was just Liverpool we eclipsed in the 80s without recognising there were good teams like the Spurs one we held off in both our title winning seasons in that decade, not to mention the fading force of Forest who would eventually come through again, and the Arsenal team which Graham was constructing that would come through and take over at the turn of the decade. Liverpool were an important opponent but not the only one.
 
I don't think that comment is so bad, as it least the intention is to be respectful. The rest of that article is ridiculous though. "The two clubs have gone in different directions". Right since we last won the league Liverpool have won it twice in 30 years and we've failed to win it, both have gone in the same direction, downhill. Nothing ceases to amaze me with their neurotic desire to falsify history.

As for disrespectful though, Klopp when asked about giving a tribute to Howard Kendall in his post match press conference said he didn't know who it was. He the said; A fairly disgusting comment, but one the kopites are trying to blame on the media.
"it’s not so fair to bring me this situation after one week. I don’t know so much about British football or British legends. There are other people at the club who can do this much better".

A fairly disgusting comment, but one the kopites are trying to blame on the media.
The one about Hillsborough?

I think it's very poor moaning about SAF's achievements by bringing that event into it.
 

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