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The Ingerlund inquest

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Who would you put in the 3 mate? Not a great deal of choice in that area.
Ox, Milner, Delph, Henderson, Wilshere... Barry or Carrick at a push, Barkley if Lallana starts at 10.

Not saying they're world beaters, but there's more to choose from there than there is for the wing positions in the 4-2-3-1, where we currently start with Welbeck, Sterling or Rooney. Alternatively England could stick with the 4231 and push the likes of Andros Townsend, Nathan Redmond or Tom Ince for the wide spots?
 

Lets be honest England dont/havent had a world class player for god knows how long,look at schoolboyset ups
virtually dominated by the big lad with a great engine,FA saying B teams playing in lower leagues will see a big
improvement in the quality of the national team but it wont the problems start way before then
Stop playing 11 aside on full size pitches for even the youngest ages, improve facilities,improves coaching badges
ots of things can be bettered but it will take a good while to come to fruition

Certainly in schools and local leagues in my area this doesn't happen. Up to u11's they play 7 aside, then 9 aside up to u13s I believe.

England continuously fail because they keep trying to be other countries

They should focus on the positive attributes of the English style and cultivate the national team to play accordingly

Football snobs will crinkle their noses, but the side would be a damn site harder to beat if they played as team and also played to their strengths

This. Well either this, a sort of back to basics approach, or a concerted and committed approach to changing our style and culture (footballing wise) that isn't expected to bare fruint until the late 20s. But it needs to be one or the other, and not some half arsed inbetween.

What? England's absolute very weakness aside from a lack of technical ability is teamwork.

Look at the players compared to the Chile side who have half their players in the Championship. There's a complete lack of communication, leadership, desire and intelligence in that England side. There's no one particularly aggressive or tenacious in that side either aside from Rooney. The only possible strength from them is counter attacking, which they don't do often anyway because none of them can control a ball or move it quickly.

Maybe they had all those things in 1996 but they haven't now.

I guess you're taking the pi55 here mate. Aggression? heart? counter attacks? TEAMWORK?

They aren't bothered about playing for the country mate you seen that. Not one of them was singing the anthem, not one of them go in for 50 50s. Even the young ones like shaw and barkley just didn't seem arsed. You could see the disappointment on Hodgsons face.

Aggression? not one person apart from Rooney is aggressive and he has calmed down a little bit.

Counter attacks? just no.

I think Mickey was referring to historical qualities that we espect to see, as opposed to those actually displayed by our current team...

I agree with Kurt.

Just not good enough in so many areas, the main one being the inability to control and pass a ball.

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with this in as much as that it is a general probelm, isn't Messi notorioulsy one footed? I actually see a bigger problem with the quality of passing, that to me looks like a lack of concentration/care then technical ability, and that is not just from England players, but many of the players that we see week in week out in the Premier League.

I think if we got a Martinez type manager we could potentially have a sound team in the future.

Stones, Barkley, Shaw, AOC and to a lesser extent Sterling and Wilshere could all go on to be top players. Not gonna win anything but at least be competent.

Um, oxymoron? Tbf I'd like to think that with a few of those and similar players coming thru below we could do well in a few tournaments time, when those players are the semior players in the team.

With Gerrard and more than likely Lampard retiring, the first call up I'd make for the qualifying campaign would be Barry. A natural DM. I mean do we actually have any others?

After that expierianced head I would fill the team with the kids who are gonna be the ones to take us into the next few tournament's. That probably means less game time for Baines.

Rooney should NOT be a guaranteed starter. Get Ross into the No.10 role, Rooney can fight it out with Sturridge to play up top!

Shaw, Stones, Ox, Llanna, Sterling, Barkley, these are the England future and need to be given game time in there proper posistions.

Hodgson's a lucky chap, no doubt the lack of any real candidates is all that's saved him his job!

This. Unfortunate for Baines, but if Shaw is as good as people seem to think then he (and the others) needs to be given a chance to play and learn in international football. We shouldl have a few senior players for 'leadership' and experience, then wherever there is a good youth option give them the chance. Eg Shaw over Baines, Barkley over Rooney etc...

Delph's a good shout. He's shown signs with Villa that he could be a very effective player.

As for Rooney.... I think England need to dispense with the 4-2-3-1 to get the best out of him. Move to a 4-3-1-2 with Lallana or Barkley playing behind front pair of Rooney and Sturridge. England have no world class wingers, so why persist with a system that requires two?

I would say embrace overlapping fullbacks, but the England team the last few years has shown no idea of how to use Baines to his full potential in that situation, so... :(

Who would you put in the 3 mate? Not a great deal of choice in that area.

A DM in the middle then two of AOC/Sterling/Townshend/A.N.Other?
 
I still don't think that the England manager should have to be English... Whats Alex Ferguson up to these days?
Exactly, if you want to play like spain or holland or germany hire someone from them countries not some englishman with his prehistoric tactics
 
Heart, passion, aggression, teamwork - why do people think these are English qualities? Did Spain not have these when they won the World Cup? Or Costa Rica? Or Columbia? Or USA?

It's a useless stereotype that has been used to excuse poor set-up throughout and to avoid thinking.

Have to disagree with the idea that England should revert to historic way of playing - England need to adapt. Do you really want to see an England team playing flat back 4 and 2 up front? It would be amusing, but disastrous for them
 
Exactly, if you want to play like spain or holland or germany hire someone from them countries not some englishman with his prehistoric tactics

I don't really mean 'play like them' mate - just picking an English manager limits the amount (and quality) of candidates massively.
 

I don't really mean 'play like them' mate - just picking an English manager limits the amount (and quality) of candidates massively.
I think though that if we keep picking English managers, it exposes the weakness and gives more incentive to fix the problem properly by working to develop better coaches long term, rather than the quick fix of paying obscene amounts of money to foreign managers.
 
I think though that if we keep picking English managers, it exposes the weakness and gives more incentive to fix the problem properly by working to develop better coaches long term, rather than the quick fix of paying obscene amounts of money to foreign managers.
The problem is though is that there isnt that many good young english managers, we have woy now whos head of the pyramid whos on ridiculous amount of money, hes the one over seeing and making the big choices and decisions for the entire english football from youth up to seniors, the mans a dinosaur and his ways will continue to be passed on to the younger coaches beneath him. The only englishman i could name you with a style who'd be able to do the job thats needed and thats maybe hoodle.


Bring in a spaniard or german or dutchman or whoever, and you get the fix from top to bottom, english coaches can work with them to learn there ways, and they'd probably cost less in wages
 
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