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Aug 10th 1892 minutes:

Training "Resolved that the Secretary arrange for Eggs & Sherry
also coffee for Players training in a morning from
Monday next."

Stores "Resolved that we order 30 pairs Knickers
as before."


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I'm like a pig in [Poor language removed] with this.
 

Surely this must have been spotted before now, how recent has these been going for, someone must have been aware of this before now, I don't know, in any event, a lot of info there, I won't browse through now, going to the library tomorrow where I can access GOT without being badgered and I may do some printouts while I look through.

Interesting if I do say so myself.
 

Awesome stuff. Cheers Dave, I may have to actually +rep you! :p

Interesting reading about Houlding again. He was a whopper! :@
 
Awesome stuff. Cheers Dave, I may have to actually +rep you! :p

Interesting reading about Houlding again. He was a whopper! :@

I honestly dont think it needed to end the way it did in 1892. It's clear Houlding was conciliatory toward those on the Everton Committee looking to avoid higher rental payments. Orrell looking for rent from his patch of adjoining land was the problem - a chancer who struck whilst the iron was hot. Houlding was fully entitled to what he was claiming. There was ambitious people on the Everton committee, though, who were absolutely determined to break away from Houlding and that was the agenda rather than financial exploitation. The smart thing for our committee to have done back in 1892 would have been to pay Orrell, stay put at Anfield and wait Houlding out - eventually paying him (or his family) the £6,000 the land was valued at (instead of the £8,000+ paid to set Goodison up). The reasdon why Houlding and Liverpool took off so soon after they set up was that the ground was a traditional football venue with good access and retained all the old fixtures and fittings. Purchase a new team and they were off and running. We should have given no room for a competitor on our doorstep.

Hindisght's a wonderful thing, I know, but the men who broke Everton away from Anfield and moved the club to Goodison are usually touted as visionaries, so criticism is acceptable. There should never have been a Liverpool FC.
 
I honestly dont think it needed to end the way it did in 1892. It's clear Houlding was conciliatory toward those on the Everton Committee looking to avoid higher rental payments. Orrell looking for rent from his patch of adjoining land was the problem - a chancer who struck whilst the iron was hot. Houlding was fully entitled to what he was claiming. There was ambitious people on the Everton committee, though, who were absolutely determined to break away from Houlding and that was the agenda rather than financial exploitation. The smart thing for our committee to have done back in 1892 would have been to pay Orrell, stay put at Anfield and wait Houlding out - eventually paying him (or his family) the £6,000 the land was valued at (instead of the £8,000+ paid to set Goodison up). The reasdon why Houlding and Liverpool took off so soon after they set up was that the ground was a traditional football venue with good access and retained all the old fixtures and fittings. Purchase a new team and they were off and running. We should have given no room for a competitor on our doorstep.

Hindisght's a wonderful thing, I know, but the men who broke Everton away from Anfield and moved the club to Goodison are usually touted as visionaries, so criticism is acceptable. There should never have been a Liverpool FC.

From what I've read Houlding was the chancer, not Orrell. According to how I understand the articles there, Houlding had already bought Anfield (without the club knowing?) and now wanted to sell it to the club for a hugely inflated price. The club approached Orrell separately about purchasing the land next to the ground, which we had already built a stand on it. Also the rent Orrell was looking for was a lot less than Houlding wanted. Tbh tho i'm a bit confused over who actually owned what at that point (91/92) as there seems to be contradictory reports there...

Either way, it is a shame, but then Everton might not be the club we know and love if they had never moved, so....
 
From what I've read Houlding was the chancer, not Orrell. According to how I understand the articles there, Houlding had already bought Anfield (without the club knowing?) and now wanted to sell it to the club for a hugely inflated price. The club approached Orrell separately about purchasing the land next to the ground, which we had already built a stand on it. Also the rent Orrell was looking for was a lot less than Houlding wanted. Tbh tho i'm a bit confused over who actually owned what at that point (91/92) as there seems to be contradictory reports there...

Either way, it is a shame, but then Everton might not be the club we know and love if they had never moved, so....

Dont forget, history is written by the victors not the vanquished. The accompanying bumf on that site is the take placed on events by Everton supporters involved in the Collection, and they're not about to concede anything to Houlding after 117 years!! The minute books themselves simply state two sides to the story and leave it at that...until all Houlding's men were routed from the committee by May 1892...and then their adversaries could record anything about the event!!

Ownership of the land the ground stood on was Houlding's and the committee knew this, there was no clandestine arrangement. Orrell came into the fray because the stands on one side of the pitch infringed on his property and he wanted remuneration...or the chance to sell the whole plot to the club for a few thousand...at which stage Houlding put it to the club that they could also buy his land too....or rent both his and Orrell's land (Orrell deffo wanted £120 pa...Houlding would then take what the club could afford for him by way of rent). The rental even if it were in excess of £300 would have been affordable for a club pulling in thousands per year. The club could have bought both Orrell's and Houlding's land for roughly the same price as it took to move to Goodison and build that ground from scratch.

That's the thing of all this: Liverpool should have just been the name of a city not a football club. (n)
 

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