The Dambusters

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Tubey

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Remembrance Sunday has come and gone for another year, and once again it has brought to mind an event that occurred a full 40+ years before I was born, yet was so influential that it basically shaped my educational motivation from the age of 11+, and is probably the sole reason as to why I have such a steadfast patriotism towards my country - regardless of my dislike of the prima donnas in the England football team!

The Dambuster mission wasn't the definitive mission of WW2 by any means, and by highlighting this mission I'm not disregarding the harrowing heroics on the beaches of Normandy.

But the thing that makes the Dambusters so special for me is how it is was a mix of mental ingenuity and physical skill. The ultimate combination of scientific and dextrous brilliance.

For those who don't know what the hell I'm referring to, the Dambusters is the popular term given to a successful bombing mission in WW2, targeting the Möhne, Sorpe and Eder Dams in Germany; central to the German manufacturing system.

The dams were an obvious target, but the current bombs of the day (1943) could not accurately damage them, and torpedoes could be stopped by nets in the lakes.

Enter Barnes Wallis! A British scientist, he invented a bomb that literally bounced along the surface of the water and to explode at the exact point of impact with the dam.

This ingenuity was combined with the skill of pilots to carry off the mission. The bombs had to be dropped at a certain height (exceptionally low to the ground) and a certain distance from the dam to be successful. To do this, the pilots used manual apparatus to measure distance from the dams, and a system of lights to determine height.

To highlight how f***ing insane that idea was, here's a GIF.

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Yet amazingly, they pulled it off, destroying two of the three dams.

The impact on the war wasn't as sizeable as one would have hoped, but for me the sheer nerve of the entire thing just awes me. Flying at extremely low altitudes with the most basic of aerial technology, attempted new methods just on the off-chance it comes off... Bravery and brilliance.

Whenever I feel annoyed at Britain, or whenever I question why people who live here give a crap about our nationality as a whole, I remind myself of the Dambusters and the brave people who flew those Lancasters for the greater good.

I'm a proud Scouser for many reasons, but at least I'll always have a reason to be a proud Brit too.

RIP to the 53 pilots who lost their lives in that operation and, to be fair, the thousands of Germans who lost their lives too - but that's the horror of war, and shouldn't deflect from the overall brilliance of this mission.

And for anyone who hasn't watched the film The Dambusters, and/or haven't found out more about Operation Chastise, I urge you to do so! It'll restore your faith in the ability of man to overcome the most daunting obstacles.
 

RIP to the 53 pilots who lost their lives in that operation and, to be fair, the thousands of Germans who lost their lives too - but that's the horror of war, and shouldn't deflect from the overall brilliance of this mission

First thing I thought of to be honest. Couldn't believe how many innocents died from this. Not my intention to stir anything up, just blew me away.
 
First thing I thought of to be honest. Couldn't believe how many innocents died from this. Not my intention to stir anything up, just blew me away.

It's about context... Coventry was bombed mercilessly by the Germans for the exact same reason as the Dambuster raid, for example - and they did it first. As I say, that's the horror of war.

The reason I applaud the Dambusters raid is despite the human casualty to be honest. It's solely due to how damned bloody clever it was and how amazingly skilled the pilots where who carried it out. Just phenomenal.
 
I'm a bit of an expert on the old Dambusters mate.

I'll read your piece in a minute.

I wrote my A-Level history coursework (9000 words FFS!!) all about how the raid was just a morale booster rather than it doing anything major to help win the war.
 
I'm a bit of an expert on the old Dambusters mate.

I'll read your piece in a minute.

I wrote my A-Level history coursework (9000 words FFS!!) all about how the raid was just a morale booster rather than it doing anything major to help win the war.

I look forward to arguing with you about anything and everything mate :lol:


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Smithy's Dambusters facts you may not know:

- not all the dams were destroyed using the bouncing bomb. The Eder was not possible as there was no appropriate approach to the dam so they attacked it length ways.
- aiming devices were made from wood or a peice string and a pencil.
- the damage was all fixed within 3 weeks.
- Guy Gibson's dog really was called [Poor language removed] and died during the raid.
- King Kong director Peter Jackson had started to remake the movie in New Zealand bit that project has now stopped.
- They practised over the Derwent Dam in Derbyshire which is why I did the project on it.
- My dad got to fly over Derwent in a Lancaster Bomber in a anniversary flight as Mid Upper Gunner!! Loved it.
 
When I was up in Debyshire a few months back I visited the bluejohn mine which is not too far from the resovoirs where they tested the bombs.... near a little village called Hope if I recall correctly.




*edited this as Ijjy posted before me the mahoosive bellend.




*love you Ijjy xxx
 
"It's [Poor language removed] sir, he's dead"

Spent a couple of months working on 617sqn while the runway at Kinloss was getting resurfaced and everywhere you look around the squadron, it's like a museum.
 

Good article Tubes.

The film is bloody terrible though mate even for the time it was made.

Not really meant as an article, just my admiration for them. The film was acceptable - they caught the essence of the raids fairly well and did a decent job of not diluting or exaggerating.

I'll never have the brilliance of Barnes Wallis and I'll never have the bravery of those pilots. Taken together, they're my heroes.

Beats looking up to the cast of Desperate Scousewives as role models anyway.
 
Not really meant as an article, just my admiration for them. The film was acceptable - they caught the essence of the raids fairly well and did a decent job of not diluting or exaggerating.

I'll never have the brilliance of Barnes Wallis and I'll never have the bravery of those pilots. Taken together, they're my heroes.

Beats looking up to the cast of Desperate Scousewives as role models anyway.

For sure.

And we've not even mentioned how boss Lancaster bombers are. Although others on here will know more about technical stuff about it, I just know it looked mean and sounded immense.

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Speaking of those planes, that's another thing I admire Wallis for. He came up with a concept bomb that couldn't be carried by any planes of the age and so was dismissed by the army. Rather than accept that brick wall in his way, he simply designed a plane that could do it.

I can't even fathom that level of creativity. I mean, I know he's not the only guy who has ever done anything like that but to create designs on the fly that practically work and to use them in that sort of scenario... wow.
 
It's about context... Coventry was bombed mercilessly by the Germans for the exact same reason as the Dambuster raid, for example - and they did it first. As I say, that's the horror of war.

The reason I applaud the Dambusters raid is despite the human casualty to be honest. It's solely due to how damned bloody clever it was and how amazingly skilled the pilots where who carried it out. Just phenomenal.

Dead right there mate, they were amazingly skilled with the technology available.
 
I'm a bit of an expert on the old Dambusters mate.

I'll read your piece in a minute.

I wrote my A-Level history coursework (9000 words FFS!!) all about how the raid was just a morale booster rather than it doing anything major to help win the war.

Showing yet again that the first casualty of war is the truth.
 

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