The British Are Idle Benefit Scroungers...

[johnnydawg68]

Sales probably suffers from the perception that you have to be some kind of pushy tosser to do it. Granted, there are a lot like that, and the perception is not altogether unwarranted, you don't have to be like that to get ahead.

Those aren't the type who make all the money.

 

[roydo]

No it's the same here. Most people are afraid of it. The skills it teaches are applicable to every job though. The art of persuasion, of being forced to think through others people's needs and how you can meet them, or simply the habit of asking for what you want. It sounds simple but if people got better at those three things, no matter what they do, they'd be a lot more successful.

True that. You dont find many decent/successful sales folk who are not decent at those, plus the key one, in my view; empathy.

 

[toffeeben15]

This is partly the problem with creating such a widely available FE syste. Theres shed load of people with degrees now, more than there used to be. Number out of the aior, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was 3 graduates for every job. Some people need to realise, that with FE, the hard work doesn't end at graduation. Personally, Apprenticeships are still the way to go, with structured job specific education and milestone payments.

That's the route I am taking with the apprenticeship. Problem is there's not enough places taking them on or there is 50 plus people going for a one job . This could all be resolved if the government weren't ****s and put the Reitirement down to 60 for men and women . I'm sure a lot of older people would agree . They don't want to work till there 67 and there holding onto a job that millions of young people want . It's a win win for both parties the 60 year old leaves a 16-24 year old gets the job. No offence to old people but they are clogging up opportunities for the next generation

 

[roydo]

That's the route I am taking with the apprenticeship. Problem is there's not enough places taking them on or there is 50 plus people going for a one job . This could all be resolved if the government weren't ****s and put the Reitirement down to 60 for men and women . I'm sure a lot of older people would agree . They don't want to work till there 67 and there holding onto a job that millions of young people want . It's a win win for both parties the 60 year old leaves a 16-24 year old gets the job. No offence to old people but they are clogging up opportunities for the next generation

Can see where you are coming from, but that would open up a huge problem as well.

 

[toffeeben15]

Can see where you are coming from, but that would open up a huge problem as well.

I can see no problem . There would be more money going out in the pensions but there would be more young people in work earning money and not taking off the benifit system

 

[roydo]

I can see no problem . There would be more money going out in the pensions but there would be more young people in work earning money and not taking off the benifit system

You might be right mate. Just saying that there is no easy solution to the problem. The whole benefit/pension system we have has been created over a 30 year period, so it will take pretty much that length of time to alter it. Meaningfully that is.

Just one example of why it is not as simple as you might think. EU law does not allow employers to force anyone to take a pension at age 60. So before you even try to bring in your idea, you have to rewrite the European Human Rights Act.

Good luck with that one.

 

[Username]

I've done a joinery apprenticeship and can't get sustainable work within the trade because the industry is on it's arse, i tried for the next 2 years since qualification to get employment to no avail, i've had a crack at self employment aswell, got a 3 month contract doing work up and down the country and loved it, contract ended, back to square one. I finished my Apprenticeship at 18, i'm 22 soon and have had 3 months work in that industry since completion, reason why? lack of experience ha!

I'm currently working a job i hate for minimum wage, it's driving me soft but i'm a sociable guy and like to go out and so i need money so i turn up week in week out. I've given up on Joinery to an extent as i'd more or less need to do another apprenticeship to relearn everything again, i'm currently looking for an Air Conditioning and refridgeration engineering apprenticeship although they're bloody hard to come by and i'm running out of companies to apply to.

This hard work has put me through severe mental strain under the last few years which has led to severe depression for me, it's proper mad but some days i wake up thinking what's the point in today and then have to go and work for a [Poor language removed] to earn barely enough money to do anything with, **** knows why i still bother when it is easier on benefits but daytime tele is **** anyway and boredome is worse then doing a **** job. Dno where i'm going with this like as i don't really have an opinion on it, the fella in the video is a bad tit who needs to open his eyes, some peoples benefits are the difference between living in a house or not, for others it's a sack of weed and a takeaway, they need to create more better paid jobs, not crazy money, but not the ****e thst's currently allowed.

 

[toffeeben15]

You might be right mate. Just saying that there is no easy solution to the problem. The whole benefit/pension system we have has been created over a 30 year period, so it will take pretty much that length of time to alter it. Meaningfully that is.

Just one example of why it is not as simple as you might think. EU law does not allow employers to force anyone to take a pension at age 60. So before you even try to bring in your idea, you have to rewrite the European Human Rights Act.

Good luck with that one.

See there's no getting out of it unless they make drastic changes like mine then we will be forever stuck with unemployed teenagers

 

[toffeeben15]

I've done a joinery apprenticeship and can't get sustainable work within the trade because the industry is on it's arse, i tried for the next 2 years since qualification to get employment to no avail, i've had a crack at self employment aswell, got a 3 month contract doing work up and down the country and loved it, contract ended, back to square one. I finished my Apprenticeship at 18, i'm 22 soon and have had 3 months work in that industry since completion, reason why? lack of experience ha!

I'm currently working a job i hate for minimum wage, it's driving me soft but i'm a sociable guy and like to go out and so i need money so i turn up week in week out. I've given up on Joinery to an extent as i'd more or less need to do another apprenticeship to relearn everything again, i'm currently looking for an Air Conditioning and refridgeration engineering apprenticeship although they're bloody hard to come by and i'm running out of companies to apply to.

This hard work has put me through severe mental strain under the last few years which has led to severe depression for me, it's proper mad but some days i wake up thinking what's the point in today and then have to go and work for a [Poor language removed] to earn barely enough money to do anything with, **** knows why i still bother when it is easier on benefits but daytime tele is **** anyway and boredome is worse then doing a **** job. Dno where i'm going with this like as i don't really have an opinion on it, the fella in the video is a bad tit who needs to open his eyes, some peoples benefits are the difference between living in a house or not, for others it's a sack of weed and a takeaway, they need to create more better paid jobs, not crazy money, but not the ****e thst's currently allowed.

Mate it's tough times but stick with it at least your earning your own money . I am 17 I did a year at college for a gas course hoping to get an apprenticeship in it . Long story short I manage to get 3 months work for a heating company which could lead to an apprenticeship yet after a month the company lost a council contract worth a years work so they laid me off because they have only just enough work to pay full working men. Luckely I'm young enough to go college and not any fees so I'm doing electrical course with the hope of an apprenticeship at the end . The trades will come back just will take time

 

[roydo]

See there's no getting out of it unless they make drastic changes like mine then we will be forever stuck with unemployed teenagers

Nope. The problem is very deep rooted, but until the current babyboomers die off, everyone else will have to pay for them I am afraid. It was a known problem in waiting 25 years ago, (I presented on it), but;

1. The politicians back then were only concerned with the next 4-5 years, and;

2. The current lot have not got the cash/brain/resolve to do much either.

I personally would not have tried to get 50% of 18 year olds into Uni in the first place. All it did was keep them off the unemployment stats, and make them think that a degree from an ex Polytechnic was actually of any use to them.

 

[roydo]

Mate it's tough times but stick with it at least your warning your own money . I am 17 I did a year at college for a gas course hoping to get an apprenticeship in it . Long story short I manage to get 3 months work for a heating company which could lead to an apprenticeship yet after a month the company lost a council contract worth a years work so they laid me off because they have only just enough work to pay full working men. Luckely I'm young enough to go college and not any fees so I'm doing electrical course with the hope of an apprenticeship at the end . The trades will come back just will take time

Thing is mate, you get a qualification in that sort of trade, and you will always have it. And it has a value, and is valued overseas as well. Good on you.

 

[toffeeben15]

Thing is mate, you get a qualification in that sort of trade, and you will always have it. And it has a value, and is valued overseas as well. Good on you.

My dad got me onto the idea of a trade and he has he same thinking as you. He works in I.t and said if he was younger he would of done a trade because no matter how bad things are you have always got it . Just getting a foot in the door is the hard part

 

[roydo]

My dad got me onto the idea of a trade and he has he same thinking as you. He works in I.t and said if he was younger he would of done a trade because no matter how bad things are you have always got it . Just getting a foot in the door is the hard part

Your dad is a wise man mate. Always wish I had a trade behind me. Love what i do, and do ok, but it isnt exactly a desired profession outside the UK. You will be fine mate. Offer to work for a beer money for some local builders, or put a few ads in local shops. You never know what might come of it.

 

[Blue 1]

Case in point. I got a degree in radio television. Did a little bit of it, but ended up in recruitment and have made a nice life for myself.

I would encourage anyone who is educated but can't find their "dream" job to go into sales of some kind. Teach yourself to be the best and you will make a lot more money than you ever dreamed of. It's nothing to be afraid of.

Actually the best advice I can give is "don't be afraid to be successful". Too many people are so scared they sit in a job because they think it's "safe" or they don't have to deal with people too much, and those jobs don't pay. Develop your interpersonal skills.

I have done exactly that. I bull**** but as you say, the pay is probably better than I can earn elsewhere. I hate most of the other sales people I meet. 90% of them are full of **** and would sell their gran.

 

[johnnydawg68]

I have done exactly that. I bull**** but as you say, the pay is probably better than I can earn elsewhere. I hate most of the other sales people I meet. 90% of them are full of **** and would sell their gran.

Yeah but I've found if you are part of the 10% that wouldn't, people notice.