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Jim Lahey

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Interesting watching them last night. I really think that it's time for Wenger to call it a day at the end of this season and I know many Gooners who feel the same.

It's the same thing from them every season it feels. I like them as a club but I do feel that their FA Cup win at the end of last season will hinder them rather than help them progress. What? Winning a pot is A BAD THING? No, it's not. Winning the FA Cup is fantastic and I'd kill to see us get to a final, it's been too long - but hear me out.

Wenger was reportedly going to call it a day IF Arsenal didn't beat Hull on that afternoon. We all know what happened in the end and Arsenal went back to North London with a shiny pot and happy fans.

But they've now got the stubborn one in charge for another, what, 3 years? 4 years? They're going nowhere under him in my opinion. They won't get near the league title or CL final this season yet again so what IS their ambition? What are they trying to achieve at the Emirates? Why did Wenger ignore the striker, defensive midfielder and centre back positions? Why did he feel bringing in Danny Welbeck for £16 million was the right thing to do when our Welbz couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo? That Immobile fella for Dortmund looks class - why wasn't Arsenal in for that calibre of striker rather than our 4th choice striker?

Worrying times for the Gooners or is just plodding along enough?
 

Can they really sack Wenger? He'll get them out of their CL group and they'll finish in the top 4 this season.
 
For me they're not far off.

But badly need a decent defensive mid.
They have way too many players who are the same. And you can't play all of them or things like last night happen.

Arteta isn't right for them.

They need a Pogba destroyer type in midfield then they'll be close.

So let's just hope they keep buying tiny flair lads.
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I hope they don't get rid of Wenger actually

I like them being also-rans

Wenger has had incredible success, but he's very much plateued now
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Indeed. If Arsenal get in a manager like Klopp, Guardiola etc then they'll start challenging again. Thing with Arsenal is, like ourselves, can spend LOTS of money in transfer windows because of FFP.
 
RAWK Meltdown said:
Indeed. If Arsenal get in a manager like Klopp, Guardiola etc then they'll start challenging again. Thing with Arsenal is, like ourselves, can spend LOTS of money in transfer windows because of FFP.
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Yeah, but I would argue that it is who they have sold which has had more of an impact on their team than anyone they have bought.
 
RAWK Meltdown said:
Indeed. If Arsenal get in a manager like Klopp, Guardiola etc then they'll start challenging again. Thing with Arsenal is, like ourselves, can spend LOTS of money in transfer windows because of FFP.
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Wenger never will spend it though

He'll spend it one player and then go cheaper on the other options

Arsenal usually get a good run together but then injuries hit and that's that

He'll sign some 17 year old kid in January for 17 Million, who will no doubt be great in 3-4 years, but will not be what they need for the rest of the season

He can afford to buy a strong squad player and a young prospect, but he just chooses not to

Maybe he's ultimately happy with 4th place and a run to the CL knock outs? The board certainly seem happy with that. The supporters clearly aren't, but they put up with it
 

It's crazy really. Arsenal are a huge club, some say the 3rd biggest in England now? I'd be so frustrated as a Gooner. They lack steel and look predictable more often than not.

I really do think that this season is going to be interesting. Arsenal out of sorts, United having to gel a new team together PLUS we still have a dodgy defence, Everton also with a dodgy defence but fantastic going forward, Liverpool look PROPER dodgy without the racist and that terrible GK.

City and Chelsea will break away at the top in their own mini league then they'll be a be scrap below that.
 
ijjysmith said:
For me they're not far off.

But badly need a decent defensive mid.
They have way too many players who are the same. And you can't play all of them or things like last night happen.

Arteta isn't right for them.

They need a Pogba destroyer type in midfield then they'll be close.

So let's just hope they keep buying tiny flair lads.
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They should have done more to get Luiz Gustavo last summer.

Poor Mikel had a torrid evening last night.

But I like the way Wenger goes after the type of players he likes, he spent so much of the summer courting Draxler rather than going for players in positions they need, only to buy Welbeck last minute in a deal that Wenger wasn't a fan of.
 
Arsenal right now are trying to steal a march on everyone else in relation to fair play and sustainability. New ground has been built so they will try reducing debts using the extra revenue ASAP. In anything upto 10 years time we will see Arsenal as probably the best model to base our team on if we get a new stadium. They spend what they feel comfortable spending without over paying for players (£16m for Welbeck has divided opinion). I think given the high prices they charge at Arsenal for season tickets is a contribution to their fans unrest. For a thousand pound a season i would expect silverware.
 
Paul Bernard said:
Arsenal right now are trying to steal a march on everyone else in relation to fair play and sustainability. New ground has been built so they will try reducing debts using the extra revenue ASAP. In anything upto 10 years time we will see Arsenal as probably the best model to base our team on if we get a new stadium. They spend what they feel comfortable spending without over paying for players (£16m for Welbeck has divided opinion). I think given the high prices they charge at Arsenal for season tickets is a contribution to their fans unrest. For a thousand pound a season i would expect silverware.
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That model is all well and good but where is the investment on new players? Although I guess one could argue that they did bring in two marquee signings this and last season in Ozil and Sanchez respectively.

I don't rate half of their squad though. Wilshere is made of glass and when he does play often flatters to deceive. Arteta is getting on now, his distribution isn't as good and he doesn't shield the defence as much as Wenger would like. Welbeck couldn't hit a barn door, Mertesacker is the slowest CB I've seen play for Arsenal, Ozil hasn't lived up to the hype and half the time I don't even notice that he's playing.

It's all tippy tappy, nicey nicey. They are not explosive, or direct enough, to compete with City and Chelsea. I'd say they are at Liverpool's standard these days - which isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
I've been surprised how poor Arsenal have been.

Sure we know they needed a new DM but when they made Arteta captain that was never going to happen but I still thought they had enough going forward. I still do.

However Dortmund are a good team, they won at Palace and they drew against us, Leicester and City plus beat Bestikas to get into the CL.

Hardly a terrible start. Tbh probably better than they should have expected given they played us Away and drew against City.

They had lots of injury problems before Dortmund and they where away from home.

Nothing to see here. The only English team that will get into the semi finals of the CL is Chelsea again.
 

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