Texas shootings

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TX Bill said:
No, we're going to be along to tell gun control advocates that for the umpteenth time that banning guns isn't the solution. For some reason, they just don't ever seem to get that. I'm confident that it's a mental issue. Why? Because statistics just don't back their narrative.

http://www.conservativecommune.com/2012/08/perspective-are-firearm-murders-a-significant-statistic/

Feel free to shoot the messenger all you want (pun intended) but facts are facts, and liberals NEVER let facts get in the way of a good argument.
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That link is a joke.

I mean, the fact that it's 'argument' ends by pointing out that other things in life are dangerous, as if that somehow means we shouldn't worry about guns, is absurd and a complete non-argument.

And they talk about how many of the killings are a result of guns owned illegally, or stolen. Well guess what ? If the level of gun ownership wasn't so high in the US then there wouldn't be so many guns to steal !

Going to re-post some stuff i've used before.

Surely the homicide rate would markedly decrease if handguns were outlawed. The FBI reports (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1985) that more than 60 percent of all murders are caused by guns, and hand-guns are involved in more than 70 percent of these. Surely many, even most, of these handgun killings would not occur if the killer had to use a rifle, club, or knife. Of course violent lovers, angry drunks, and deranged employees would still flail out with knives or baseball bats, but some of their victims would be able to run away, with few or no injuries, and most of those who could not run away would nevertheless survive, badly injured but at least alive.
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Common sense.


The householder’s gun, if he or she has one, is in a drawer of the bedside table, and the gun gets lifted along with the jewelry, adding one more gun to the estimated hundred thousand handguns annually stolen from law-abiding citizens.

According to Wright, Rossi, and Daly (1983, p. 181), about 40 percent of the handguns used in crimes are stolen, chiefly from homes that the guns were sup-posed to protect.
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That's why the 'right to bear arms' DOES have an effect on the amount of guns used in crime.


True, even if handguns are outlawed, some criminals will manage to get them, but surely fewer petty criminals will have guns. It is simply untrue for the gun lobby to assert that all criminals — since they are by definition lawbreakers —will find ways to get handguns. For the most part, if the sale of handguns is outlawed, guns won’t be available, and fewer criminals will have guns. And if fewer criminals have guns, there is every reason to believe that violent crime
will decline. A youth armed only with a knife is less likely to try to rob a store than if he is armed with a gun.
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Again, common sense.


From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in guns and gun violence in the schools.

According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health "15% said that they (young people) had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year."
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That's just f***ing scary.

It's sad that in this day and age so many people in America see the 'right to bear arms' as being part of their cultural identity. Lets just be realistic about this for a moment and call a spade a spade. It's not the 'right to bear arms', it's the 'right to carry a device whose sole intended purpose is to injure or kill other people'.


We must recognize that the efforts of private citizens to protect themselves with handguns
have chiefly taken the lives not of criminals but of innocent people.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_..._United_States
http://faculty.mdc.edu/dmcguirk/ENC2106/desuka.htm

There is no reason to allow the general population to own firearms in the US. Literally none at all, except to protect some second amendment BS which doesn't even really apply to the vast majority of gun ownership, and was never intended to be abused in such a way.
 

One other thing, regarding gun control.

Prior to Australia's introduction of stricter gun controls and it's gun buy back policy, there were plenty of mass shootings in the country. In the 16 years since the laws were introduced there has not been a single one.

Could be a coincidence.
 

So they reserve the right to carry guns.

So ban the ammo then, it contains explosives. If someone can't buy something like Hydrogen Peroxide due to 'other uses' then why should someone be able to buy a product containing gunpowder.


My guess is that if ammo was banned then folks could walk around touting whatever gun they wished without killing anyone (pistol whipping excluded obv.). I think the fashion would soon peter out.,
 

Bruce Wayne said:
Not sure why the penny hasn't dropped for the media yet. The initial shooting spree is given blanket coverage with glorification of the shooter/s, which then leads to several copycats in close succession. I mean are they stupid or something?
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I'd think the World's Greatest Detective (yes, I know who you are) would do a bit better research on this one. I don't think you're necessarily wrong on "copy cat" concept, it just has no bearing here.

Other than both shooters being looneys there's zero relation between the two, the Texas shooting was a lunatic who for some reason decided to shoot his way out of an eviction notice.

The campus this happened next to is actually my alma mater so this one hits quite close to home, I used to live not far from where this occurred.
 
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