Tea Party candidates become political force

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"Questionable folk"?

Matter of opinion I guess. That'll be no votes from the witchcraft community then!
The irony of a deeply religious woman practicing pagan ways is beyond me...
 

johnnydawg68 said:
Actually Bill, this country was founded on a mix of Enlightenment principles and common law - NOT Christian principles. I know this is going to take this thread down a rabbit hole, but this is a myth.

The bible barely mentions government at all except perhaps Monarchy, which it clearly does not oppose. We were clearly founded as a reaction AGAINST Monarchy.

Don't believe me? Let's ask Thomas Jefferson, only the man most responsible for shaping our constitution and the man so many Tea Partiers claim as their role model:

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it."

". . . if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - letter to Thomas Cooper on February 10, 1814
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There is a big difference between "law" and "principles." I mean if we weren't founded on Christian principles, what was the point of putting "In God We Trust" on our currency and coin. Might as well have said, "In John Doe We Trust."

johnnydawg68 said:
I am an American. I have many Republican friends. Some are very sensible. Some others have veered into this stuff and they talk absolute nonsense. Sorry. These same people who think Obama is a dangerous Marxist, sat happily by, and defended to the death, GWB while he ran up record deficits and spent like a drunken sailor. Did I hear a peep from them? NO. But NOW, the world is coming to an end. We have a word for this. HYPOCRISY.

When I was growing up Republicans were for balanced budgets and fiscal conservatism. Now they are just tax cutting zealots who think that moving the marginal rates back to where they were when Bush took office is the same thing as Communism. And as far as being for small government...that's a joke. They think that the role of the federal government is legislate individual morality and promote specific religious views above all others. This is so far from being true to American values I don't know where to begin. As my best friend, a Conservative Catholic, dyed in the wool Republican told me yesterday, "I used to be for the government promoting my values. Now I don't care. I just take care of my own business, and my own family and that's ok with me". Hear hear! I wish more on the right were so enlightened.

As Oscar Wilde said, "Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live".
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Many of us ARE enlightened. It's just that the many on the left refuse to believe it.

johnnydawg68 said:
This probably deserves it's own thread but this whole "liberal media" myth started back in the 60's and 70's when there were only three networks and conservatives felt that that the national news anchors had a liberal bias. Since then it's been repeated ad nauseaum by the right to the point where it's taken for granted by most on the right, and some in the center AND the left. It's baloney. Here's a good link to get you started on this topic.

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/LiberalMedia.htm

Just to give you an example from just the other day...I posted an article on how Warren Buffet, Steve Ballmer from Microsoft, and Jeff Immelt from GE were all bullish on the American economy going forward. A friend of mine who is basically a tea partier, responded that "nothing could be believed from that liberal rag Businessweek". BUSINESSWEEK is now a left wing propoganda publication apparently. It's ridiculous.
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You really don't want to get into the "liberal media is a myth" discussion. It's been documented over and over and over and over and over how the media (and the journo types) are typically left wing types and report that way. I can find countless websites that have this documented for you. The issue will be however, "Will you believe it?"

For those who say that there is no liberal bias in the media only have to look as far as Rush Limbaugh. Love him or hate him, he wouldn't be anywhere as big and well known as he is today with the audience he has if the mainstream media reported anywhere close to objectively in this country. There'd be no market for him. None.

On the flip side, you ever wonder why Air America crashed and burned so bad? (for those uninformed, Air America was established by liberal backers to be the antidote on the radio to Rush and others. It lasted less than a year.) The reason was simple. No market for it. The left already got it's fill from the mainstream media so there was no more need of the same.

If anyone would like, I'd be happy to post the websites that constantly monitor the MSM for it's left leaning biases. Also, I suggest reading Bernie Goldberg's "Bias. A CBS Insider Exposes how the Media Distorts the News." I also suggest you Google the names Mary Mapes and Dan Rather and see what you come up with.

Lastly, if you still have any doubts, you can easily Google how the MSM treated Obama during the runup to the election vs. it's treatment of McCain. Embarrassing really in terms of how much they declined to "ask" Obama about relative to McCain & Palin.
 
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People are talking like a little witchcraft is a bad thing.

She could take a ride on my broomstick anytime.
 
TX Bill said:
There is a big difference between "law" and "principles." I mean if we weren't founded on Christian principles, what was the point of putting "In God We Trust" on our currency and coin. Might as well have said, "In John Doe We Trust."



Many of us ARE enlightened. It's just that the many on the left refuse to believe it.



You really don't want to get into the "liberal media is a myth" discussion. It's been documented over and over and over and over and over how the media (and the journo types) are typically left wing types and report that way. I can find countless websites that have this documented for you. The issue will be however, "Will you believe it?"

For those who say that there is no liberal bias in the media only have to look as far as Rush Limbaugh. Love him or hate him, he wouldn't be anywhere as big and well known as he is today with the audience he has if the mainstream media reported anywhere close to objectively in this country. There'd be no market for him. None.

On the flip side, you ever wonder why Air America crashed and burned so bad? (for those uninformed, Air America was established by liberal backers to be the antidote on the radio to Rush and others. It lasted less than a year.) The reason was simple. No market for it. The left already got it's fill from the mainstream media so there was no more need of the same.

If anyone would like, I'd be happy to post the websites that constantly monitor the MSM for it's left leaning biases. Also, I suggest reading Bernie Goldberg's "Bias. A CBS Insider Exposes how the Media Distorts the News." I also suggest you Google the names Mary Mapes and Dan Rather and see what you come up with.

Lastly, if you still have any doubts, you can easily Google how the MSM treated Obama during the runup to the election vs. it's treatment of McCain. Embarrassing really in terms of how much they declined to "ask" Obama about relative to McCain & Palin.
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- TX Bill I enjoyed your replies. Typically I am in the middle on a lot of issues however I wanted to reply on the comment of the US being founded on Christian principles. Bare in mind that many of our founding fathers were Masons who believe in a greater being existing. Never specifying God. However never forget "Separation of church and state." Our forefathers must have been rolling over in their graves when Bush said he consulted a "higher father," regardless I would love to have a beer with the guy. Their is no separation of church and state in the middle east, look where that got them.

- Repubs in general are really killing themselves right now. The party is split and it just looks bad. If they were to band together and become the party looking to help the middle class I believe they would take the Senate. Heck if Repubs could have looked past Romney being a Mormon we might just have a Repub president. Romney was an excellent candidate.

- Your right about the media being slanted to a liberal view in the last election. However Palin really made herself look bad in a number of instances and the media really went after her. I feel McCain was hung out to dry by his own party, but was sorry to see him resorting to negative ads recently in Arizona. An honorable man having to resort to dishonorable means because the times have changed is an unfortunate side of politics here in the US.
 

You're not wrong about the Republicans Extratime. They've shot themselves in the foot too many times as well. In fact, poorly enough that it enabled a completely inexperienced individual to win the presidency.

Whether or not they can get their house in order is a different story. They'll certainly gain seats in November. What they do with those seats is up to them.

And you're correct about separation of church and state (which I alluded to in my earlier post...before the one you quoted).
 
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