Pat's Van
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as has been posted on here previously mate, people don't go staying off work losing a day's pay just for the fun of it
can understand people fuming though, on both sides
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as has been posted on here previously mate, people don't go staying off work losing a day's pay just for the fun of it
can understand people fuming though, on both sides
bluejock
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No, I totally agree with them.
Being ex public sector, I know firsthand the frustrations of being denied pay rises owed to you, even a basic cost of living increase while inflation goes up around you.
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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Great Way to get sympathy though, force others to lose a days pay as well, yeah that gets me right behind them that does, really gets me supporting them when a) can't afford to lose a days pay B) can't afford a pension c) when I was forced overseas to find work I am informed that I won't even get a full state one either.
Pat's Van
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don't think they're looking for sympathy though mate
just a fair deal
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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They are getting a far fairer deal than the people that they will be impacting on, and what about the kids ffs ? what about their education which we are told must not be interrupted.
Teachers are on a good wage and I refuse to believe that they work their holidays, as a head told me it's tosh, and a customer gave me a book he wrote about going to Italy for the full summer every year during the summer hols.
Pat's Van
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Well the people who will be going on strike have families too.
Those families will be impacted on by the changes intended to be implemented by the current government
not so sure about the teachers holidays arguments/opinions, have never worked in that industry so would not like to post an opinion
Those families will be impacted on by the changes intended to be implemented by the current government
not so sure about the teachers holidays arguments/opinions, have never worked in that industry so would not like to post an opinion
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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So they will still be bringing up kids when they retire ?
Pat's Van
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you obviously think the strike is all about public sector pensions
it's not
it's also about jobs being cut, which I'm sure you'll agree is never a good thing when trying to raise a family
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
That is, of course, as a direct result of the previous (Labour) government fulfilling their promise to pour money into education to pay teachers what they are worth. In so doing, a teacher shortage was solved, as a free-market economist such as yourself doubtless knows, Bruce. You will also know that if you want better teachers you have to pay more money because that attracts more applicants thus enabling schools to pick and choose.
Do you really want to go back to the way it was - schools reduced to interviewing newly-qualified South African teachers over the phone and offering them jobs there and then?
Teaching as a profession has its good side and its bad side. In the minus column, it is incredibly intense, long hours, stressful and pays poorly compared to the average private sector graduate job. In the plus column, it can be rewarding, has very good holidays and a good pension scheme. When you consider going into teaching (leaving aside the "it's a calling" argument) this is what you weigh up.
When I joined the profession I was promised certain things. One was a good pension. I see this as a betrayal not only of myself but of future generations of children who will suffer a poorer education because of the limited talent pool schools will be able to recruit from.
I'm out tomorrow.
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Oz has just promised £350m for new schools.
Sorry I didn't reply to this. I quite agree that great teachers should be paid good salaries. My bone of contention at the moment is that we have an awful lot of ordinary teachers on great salaries. I think I'm right in saying that it isn't possible to pay two teachers different salaries based on their effectiveness is it? The duffer would earn the same as the great teacher (assuming they were in the same role - no head of year or any of that), is that still the case?
Things like Teach First are a fine idea and I'm fully behind that sort of thing, and would be fine if schools were free to pay teachers whatever they wished, and of course parents free to choose whatever school they wished.
Re the starter salary thing, do teachers still get paid to do their PGCE or to study teaching at uni?
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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They do in many cases.
New one near me is one of these 'academies' and apparently the teachers get paid differently as it isn't the L.E.A. that employs them, same with church schools. The teachers aren't too happy that are there apparently (they were LEA employees up until summer) as they are constantly being assessed and praised/criticised and they are only on 12 month contracts so fear losing there jobs.....WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD !! School is supposed to get you ready for that isn't it ?
They won't be on the same pension either now.
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New one near me is one of these 'academies' and apparently the teachers get paid differently as it isn't the L.E.A. that employs them, same with church schools. The teachers aren't too happy that are there apparently (they were LEA employees up until summer) as they are constantly being assessed and praised/criticised and they are only on 12 month contracts so fear losing there jobs.....WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD !! School is supposed to get you ready for that isn't it ?
They won't be on the same pension either now.
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