Street Music....

[longers]

I'm not a boomer, but whatever generalisations you'd like to make crack on, they bear no significance to me. We disagree therefore I must be uninformed is simply laughable logic.

I have taste for the depth, richness and nuance that a skilled human can create on a unique instrument that has been crafted with the equal skill and expertise of its maker.

I have grown up listening to and rejecting over produced, mangled electronic music especially the repetitive phrases thought up by computer algorithms and put to an exacting, repetitive and unnatural drum beat.

So yes to me there's more musical skill than someone who doesn't have to even maintain the strings or woodwork of an instrument, and who can spend hours getting a clinical sound with post production software to remove errors.

For the same reasons I get more satisfaction from a photograph captured in one shot, than one thats required editing and computer software.

Whether you like music made on a computer is irrelevant, your original comment sugggested it requires less talent to make great music on a computer than it does to do the same with traditional instruments which is simply false. I dislike most classical music but I still understand that it requires a lot of talent to compose such music.

 

[chrismpw]

Whether you like music made on a computer is irrelevant, your original comment sugggested it requires less talent to make great music on a computer than it does to do the same with traditional instruments which is simply false. I dislike most classical music but I still understand that it requires a lot of talent to compose such music.

Using a computer to make music requires talent - but it requires less talent than playing an instrument throughout a performance.

An instrumentalist has to get an acceptable sound out of every note, every time it is played. A computer musician can sample a single note or sound played by a talented musician (maybe even themself) - from then on every time they press a button they get the same note, the same sound albeit transposed to different frequencies made possible by the talent of the programmer. There is no challenge to consistently repeat nuance, no scope for the mood of the player to change during the performance, no need to fight fatigue. You press the button the computer faithfully, reliably the same note a thousand times. Its simpler, its easier, its why kids learn music on it at school when they can't blow a recorder with consistent breath.

Whether I like it or not (my main objection was the use of auto-tune by the way) is irrelevant. I like a broader range of music than anybody I know, but I still have friends who say I'm narrow minded because I don't tend to like much chart, electro or dance music.

A different angle for this discussion might be the talent required to compose a successful or interesting melody. Here there is an entirely different talent at play irrespective of the instrument, computer or technical ability.

 

[coollino]

Using a computer to make music requires talent - but it requires less talent than playing an instrument throughout a performance.

An instrumentalist has to get an acceptable sound out of every note, every time it is played. A computer musician can sample a single note or sound played by a talented musician (maybe even themself) - from then on every time they press a button they get the same note, the same sound albeit transposed to different frequencies made possible by the talent of the programmer. There is no challenge to consistently repeat nuance, no scope for the mood of the player to change during the performance, no need to fight fatigue. You press the button the computer faithfully, reliably the same note a thousand times. Its simpler, its easier, its why kids learn music on it at school when they can't blow a recorder with consistent breath.

Whether I like it or not (my main objection was the use of auto-tune by the way) is irrelevant. I like a broader range of music than anybody I know, but I still have friends who say I'm narrow minded because I don't tend to like much chart, electro or dance music.

A different angle for this discussion might be the talent required to compose a successful or interesting melody. Here there is an entirely different talent at play irrespective of the instrument, computer or technical ability.

Very little music is solely made on a computer anyhow. Most have at least some kind of midi instrument.

quite often, it is all combined such as this:



There are also plenty of musicians who have moved to electronic music due to the limitations of instruments. Kevin James Martin/The Bug, for example, is classically train in the bass guitar, has various jazz projects but moved to electronic music due to him not being able to find the bass frequency he wanted through conventional instruments. Interestingly, once he found the noise he was looking for he gave up drink and drugs.

 

[marnie]

Harrison in Liverpool 1

 

[chrismpw]

Very little music is solely made on a computer anyhow. Most have at least some kind of midi instrument.

quite often, it is all combined such as this:



There are also plenty of musicians who have moved to electronic music due to the limitations of instruments. Kevin James Martin/The Bug, for example, is classically train in the bass guitar, has various jazz projects but moved to electronic music due to him not being able to find the bass frequency he wanted through conventional instruments. Interestingly, once he found the noise he was looking for he gave up drink and drugs.

A band i like particularly, Jethro Tull, dabbled with electronic music, sampling and synthesisers in the late 80s. Being a fan I naively bought the albums and there are four I've only ever played once they were that bad - to my ears at least.

But this is the beauty if music, there is vast scope and its entirely personal what you like. If you like it it cannot be faulted. My original comment wasn't to say that computer music is terrible- its not to my taste admittedly, but I think it takes more talent to operate a traditional instrument consistently.

 

[peteblue]

Harrison in Liverpool 1

Typical scally.......

 

[marnie]

Typical scally.......

Boy can play though.

 

[peteblue]

Boy can play though.

The boy can certainly play. It’s having the confidence to do it in public that I liked....

 

[marnie]

The boy can certainly play. It’s having the confidence to do it in public that I liked....

I liked his modern day mix but loved him doing a bit of Einaudi at the airport.