Standing at aways

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Sorry if there is already a thread on this, had a search through but couldn't find any.
Just wondering what everyone's opinions and views are on our fans lack of standing at away matches and how we can change this from happening.
I my self am only young so have only new all seater stadiums and thought it was normal to just sit at the match unless your on the attack or score home and away until recently, but I have noticed this fact that every other team bar the likes of Wigan will stand at aways for the full 90 minutes no matter what.

So why don't we do it?
Last year Sunderland away in the cup was amazing, all 7,000 of us standing and singing throughout the game, by far the best atmosphere at an away match in years for us!
So I was wondering what everyone's views are really, do you agree we should stand at aways or should we just stay sitting down?
If everyone wants to stand at aways as well, is there anyway that we could start this and get it going again? I know we'll be stood for City but 2 weeks later at Stoke, we'll most likely be sat. It is horrible to see our fans get slated and mocked by others for sitting, so should we change it or keep it how it is and if change it, how can we?
 

Couldn't give a f*** what other fans say, tbh.

If people want to stand, then fair enough. I don't personally see there being a direct link between atmosphere and standing up, it's more the other way around. When it's a big game and people are nervous, they tend to stand up. Standing up doesn't create atmosphere, a good or important game of football and vocal crowd reactions do that.

I've stood up and sat down at away games.
 

Standing does not equal atmosphere. There is no scientific reason that standing up makes you sing louder.

Young lads getting priced out of watching football because of sky high ticket prices, that is why the atmosphere at grounds is dead.

35,000 vs Norwich at home, the atmosphere wouldn't be any better if the whole ground was standing or sitting, paying £36 a ticket to watch Norwich, NORWICH FFS, is what is doing it.
 
Cena said:
Standing does not equal atmosphere. There is no scientific reason that standing up makes you sing louder.

Young lads getting priced out of watching football because of sky high ticket prices, that is why the atmosphere at grounds is dead.

35,000 vs Norwich at home, the atmosphere wouldn't be any better if the whole ground was standing or sitting, paying £36 a ticket to watch Norwich, NORWICH FFS, is what is doing it.
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but i bet there will a great atmosphere for Arsenal on Wednesday. we do seem to raise it for the big games,
it was really bad for Southampton at home tho.
 
Cena said:
Standing does not equal atmosphere. There is no scientific reason that standing up makes you sing louder.

Young lads getting priced out of watching football because of sky high ticket prices, that is why the atmosphere at grounds is dead.

35,000 vs Norwich at home, the atmosphere wouldn't be any better if the whole ground was standing or sitting, paying £36 a ticket to watch Norwich, NORWICH FFS, is what is doing it.
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Nailed it.
need proof?
Every ground in the country, the famous loud end behind the goal is traditionally where it was cheapest to sit.
Cheaper tickets = better atmosphere, because younger, rowdier people will sit there
 
Deloodid said:
but i bet there will a great atmosphere for Arsenal on Wednesday. we do seem to raise it for the big games,
it was really bad for Southampton at home tho.
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Yeh because we'l be arsed about a big game under the lights - look at the cup games last season, cheaper prices, better atmospheres.

How can you get up for Norwich at home and be paying £36

Royal said:
Nailed it.
need proof?
Every ground in the country, the famous loud end behind the goal is traditionally where it was cheapest to sit.
Cheaper tickets = better atmosphere, because younger, rowdier people will sit there
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The lads who make the atmosphere are getting priced out mate because it's simply too expensive - this rubbish about standing up will make it better is complete crap. I hate using them as an example, but Stoke are loud and they are in an all-seater, standing up doesn't make the decibels suddenly rise.
 
It doesn't make a better atmosphere but I reckon it is a bit of an enabler for it to be honest. It's a bit simplistic to say that standing = good atmosphere and sitting = bad atmosphere because there will always be examples to counter that.

Personally, I'd rather stand but I'm conscious of those around me and it's selfish to be stood up if it means some arl fella or kid behind you can't see the game properly.
 

Personally I do think standing equates to a better atmosphere. Think about it, sitting down is much more reserved than standing up. It's phycological more than anything. You are much more likely to be louder standing up than sitting down. Even if its subconcious.
 
I am a stander, but at aways I can't justify it for everyone to stand, it should be your choice, not have it forced on you.

Perhaps we should say in you want to stand go to the last 10 rows (of the lower too if two tiered) or something? If you're incapable of standing you'll be incapable of climbing those stairs to the back.

As for standing and atmosphere, I start off songs at the match, if everyone's sat very few songs get going. If everyone is stood far more take off. I've started them off enough times to know this is true whatever the state of the game is and whoever we're playing, it's just affected to different levels. I've seen many good atmospheres killed stone dead from all of a sudden sitting down.

Again, another thing is who's standing. Eg, if the Directors Box is standing you won't all of a sudden hear a chorus of 'Run Run whoever you may be', but if you get enough of the lads together who makes the atmosphere stood together you will.
 
I personally prefer standing at aways and think that most of the time it makes it a better atmosphere. But it's not always the case. I think we are the most reactive bunch of fans in the country in that we are loud and angry when a decision goes against us or the players are playing great and get a few corners in a row and we all back them fully.

In a lot of games where the games are dull and we're playing a club that we feel is "inferior" to us (which is nearly everyone apart from the shi te, Arsenal and United and at the moment, Spurs, City and Chelsea) then it doesn't matter if we are stood or sat down. The atmosphere will still be awful. Similarly, like at Reading, even when we were winning, we were expecting the team to push on against a poor side and they just didn't. So we all sat there in silence.

We have to take a look at ourselves as fans sometimes because our atmospheres are awful a lot of the time but I like the fact that we're not the same as everyone else. All these no mark clubs have a go but does anyone ever go to their ground (apart from Stoke) and say the atmosphere is intimidating? Yet all the big players/managers over the years have all mentioned our intimidating atmospheres. Wenger/Mourinho/Ferguson and players like Vieira and Lampard have all said it. Who gives a fu ck what some Sunderland or Villa fan says when they take about 2,000 combined to alot of aways themselves. We could be like City and all stand up and start singing daft songs like "We're not really 'ere" but I don't see the point.

Would prefer to stand but it still isn't the key factor in our atmosphere.
 
Why does this get brought up at least once a month?

If you want to stand, stand. If you prefer to sit, then just sit. It really is that simple.
 

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