Spending Review (AKA Tory scum cuts)

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i disagree with him put love him just the same , bless. i cant wait to here him speak at the tuc next time..
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who ? Tebbit ? He is or was a fully paid up member of a Trade union when he told us all to 'feck off and find a job somewhere else'

 

[TX Bill]

Is there supposed to be something wrong with supporting Chavez?

Anyway, regardless of that, here's a question for you...and I hope I'm not getting too personal: You highlighted the fact in the past on here that you were adopted when you were a kid. Now adoption agencies and councils work hand in glove with each other to provide the best care for kids in that position. I know the extent of this myself because my brother adopted too. Local Authorities have been handed a 20% cut to meet. I just wonder how you feel knowing the knock on effects it'll inevitably have in that area.

As I say, I hope I'm not being too personal there. If I am, tell me to [Poor language removed] off and mind my own business.

Post of the Year !!!

 

[TX Bill]

Pot meet kettle.

Oh, and while you're droning on and on DaveK, have you had a chance to see what's going to go down here in the USA about two weeks?

Last we spoke, you felt that these midterm elections wouldn't mean very much.

Still believe that?

It's apparent that DaveK has me on ignore. Not surprising. When confronted with reality, liberals often play the "nah nah nah I can't hear you card."

I guess I won't expect a response from the questions above. Of course I already know the answer but I just wanted to see if he did.

Well that article might just be one of the most insulting things I've ever read.

Why would that be?

What parts of the article would you like to refute? Sorry you felt insulted by it however it doesn't change the truthfulness of the article.

If you really want to be insulted, go on down to the comment section. They really roast liberals down there and some of it is "mean."

 

[Allezfan]

Why would that be?

What parts of the article would you like to refute? Sorry you felt insulted by it however it doesn't change the truthfulness of the article.

If you really want to be insulted, go on down to the comment section. They really roast liberals down there and some of it is "mean."

Stuff like this mostly

England may yet surprise me, but their culture is weaker now than it has ever been. The primary ingredient of recovery is will, and I just don't know if the dependent scions of Albion have enough left to climb out of the hole they're in.

I normally care as much about the politics of your country as I care about the politics of the south pacific Island of Nauru but I am slightly annoyed by the insistence of the american right in portraying either the UK or Europe as some kind of horrible wasteland who america could end up like if they're not careful. Over the last ten years I've read articles by americans and canadians warning their own countries not to be too tolerant of Islam (or we'll end up like europe), not to allow too much imigration (or we'll end up like europe), not to vote for liberals (or we'll end up like the UK), not to nationalise health care (or we'll end like the UK) etc, etc. Everytime you need an example of something you want to avoid becoming, you pick us. I find that a little insulting.

An article the other day was even saying that the ethnic cleansing and endess cival war of Serbia was the road which europe was inevitably heading down and within a decade we'd start seeing the same pattern repeating in places like France, Germany and the UK.

I'm a patriot, I'm proud to be english and proud to live in this country. I'm tired of people insisting that my country is some kind of third world hell hole. Frankly I think you could do a lot bloody worse than to become like us.

 

[davek]

It's apparent that DaveK has me on ignore. Not surprising. When confronted with reality, liberals often play the "nah nah nah I can't hear you card."

I guess I won't expect a response from the questions above. Of course I already know the answer but I just wanted to see if he did.

No, I dont have you on ignore.

Chavez: I know Americans find it hard to stomach Latin Americans having independence of action from Uncle Sam, but you really have to accept that the likes of Venezuela and Bolivia are no longer prepared to be doormats for you to wipe your cowboy boots on anymore. You'll have taken note that 'the dictator' Chavez lost ground to conservative parties in the recent free elections held in Venezuela and that the right wing media in that country were - as per ususual - allowed to peddle their reactionary rubbish about the governing opposition that they tried to launch a military coup against not so long ago. That's got to be the strangest 'dictatorship' known in human history. Now Chavez cracks on with trade negotiations with other Latin and South American countries, Russia, China and Iran. What a diverse ideological mix of regime the Chavez government deals with.

US Mid-Term Elections: there's been lots of money thrown into this campaign, I believe. Therefore, they mean a great deal to people with money who want to influence a political scene shaken up by grassroots activism. As a referendum on the Obama Presidency they're no more important than any other mid-term elections I wouldn't wonder. Unpopular presidents halfway through their tenure often come through to win re-election. And in any case, is Obama's personal ratings really that catastrophic? Hovering somewhere between 44% to 48%, that's healthier than Bush Jnr and Clinton's first term performances at the midterm point. I think we can all become caught up in the moment and believe that what's happening right now is something significantly different than what happened before. Railing against governement spending might play well to conservatives, but to people who's livelihood depends on it (the vast majority - and the ones not making a fool of themselves in Tea Party demos) it will be seen as a necessary measure.

 

[Allezfan]

Why would that be?

What parts of the article would you like to refute? Sorry you felt insulted by it however it doesn't change the truthfulness of the article.

Okay then lets talk facts. This is what the article says is the state of the UK after more than 50 years of the welfare state.

Entire generations of citizens have been born and grew to adulthood in a land of a debased civil society, outlandish political promises and a hidebound, near-moribund private sector. A country with "free" healthcare, a generous welfare system where it was often more remunerative not to work, and a private sector so sclerotic and union-infested that a structural unemployment rate of 8-10% was accepted as perfectly normal. Young people pursue endless, meaningless degrees (using state-provided funds more often than not) and have basically given up on the antiquated notions of marriage and family, to say nothing of religion. (No building in England is so empty as a Christian church nowadays.)

So lets see how far that awful 'debased' land lags behind your great country shall we.

Health

Infant mortality rate of under 1s per 1,000 births

UK: 4.8 US: 6.3

Mortality rate of under 5s per 1,000 births

UK: 6.0 US: 7.8

Life expectancy:

UK: 79.4 US: 78.2

Prosperity

GDP per capita (in US$)

UK: 35,257 US: 45,934 (One win for the states there)

Unemployment rates

UK: 7.8% unemployed US: 9.6% unemployed

Current Debt

UK: −32.37$ US: −380.10$

which is

UK: 68.10% of GDP US: 52.90% of GDP (second win for the states)

Budget Deficit per GDP in 2004

UK: -2.95% US: -4.07%

Education

Average IQ

UK: 100 US: 98

Literacy

UK: 99.0% US 99.0%

Lawlessness

Murder rates

UK: 1.28 per million people US: 5 per million people

Happyness

Suicide rates

UK: 9.2 per million people US: 11.1 per million people

General bossness

World Cups

UK: 1 US:0

Everton Football clubs

UK: 1 US:0

So I make that 11:2 to the "debased civil society" and frankly you can stick statements describing my country like this:

It is waste and weakness and impoverishment and upheaval and ennui. It is generational warfare, class warfare, enormous debts, squalor, meanness, shortages, selfishness.

up your statistically-more-likely-to-be-obese arses.

 

[davek]

Okay then lets talk facts. This is what the article says is the state of the UK after more than 50 years of the welfare state.



So lets see how far that awful 'debased' land lags behind your great country shall we.

Health

Infant mortality rate of under 1s per 1,000 births

UK: 4.8 US: 6.3

Mortality rate of under 5s per 1,000 births

UK: 6.0 US: 7.8

Life expectancy:

UK: 79.4 US: 78.2

Prosperity

GDP per capita (in US$)

UK: 35,257 US: 45,934 (One win for the states there)

Unemployment rates

UK: 7.8% unemployed US: 9.6% unemployed

Current Debt

UK: −32.37$ US: −380.10$

which is

UK: 68.10% of GDP US: 52.90% of GDP (second win for the states)

Budget Deficit per GDP in 2004

UK: -2.95% US: -4.07%

Education

Average IQ

UK: 100 US: 98

Literacy

UK: 99.0% US 99.0%

Lawlessness

Murder rates

UK: 1.28 per million people US: 5 per million people

Happyness

Suicide rates

UK: 9.2 per million people US: 11.1 per million people

General bossness

World Cups

UK: 1 US:0

Everton Football clubs

UK: 1 US:0

So I make that 11:2 to the "debased civil society" and frankly you can stick statements describing my country like this:



up your statistically-more-likely-to-be-obese arses.

He's gonna open up a can of whoop-ass on you now mate.


Of course, you made the schoolboy error of not comparing Texas with the UK.

Texas:

Healthcare - pert near perfect...until the Messicans ran the damn service to hell in a hand basket.

Prosperity - Oil billionarires falling out of broom cupboards

Education - ciperin' an' [Poor language removed]? Got those Apollo boys up and down from the moon no problermo

Lawlessness - there is no lawlessness when you fry all the evildoers in the chair

Happiness - Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. End of debate

General Bossness - trick question: pinko-liberal category for homos and commies.

 

[Dylan]

This is now closed.

I am not having yet another thread devolve into petty mudslinging. Which this is well on the road to.

I find it astounding that grown men, can act like children.