Spanish System Please!

[RaleighBlue]

And there you have it.Possibly the future of the Football League. The game always moves forwards and these days money calls the tune.I can remember the arguments in the pub about if having more than one sub would ruin the game.Anyway it was a cheap shot using Everton to make your point,I think most of the teams in the Championship spent more than us.We are after all a special case!

But it perfectly makes my point.

In your world we can't happen again. Sheffield United can't get their act together, come back up the chain and hang out at the big boys table. Bad luck at the wrong time dooms those teams that way.

It's a uniquely great feature of the English League system to have these teams come up and be a big team. I truly don't understand why anyone would root for preserving the status quo.

 

[davids]

But it perfectly makes my point.

In your world we can't happen again. Sheffield United can't get their act together, come back up the chain and hang out at the big boys table. Bad luck at the wrong time dooms those teams that way.

It's a uniquely great feature of the English League system to have these teams come up and be a big team. I truly don't understand why anyone would root for preserving the status quo.

I did say that tongue in cheek BTW I´d like to preserve the quo because we are a member.......at the moment.If our current financial state carries on,and we don't get real investment,then the best way to bring on our younger players is through a B system,I'll be honest, if some lower division clubs go by the wayside so that Everton thrive,so be it.

 

[kenada_blue]

You can say that of anything.

In the 80's we were top of the world. In the 90's we were awful. Not long ago Swansea were in League 2. This year they were in Europe.

It's the beauty of the English League system. Anyone can rise up with a good manager and a good chairman and a bit of luck. This just gives the richest teams more of an excuse to buy anything resembling talent and kill off all the clubs that haven't made it big yet.

Next step is the elimination of promotion and relegation. So the lower leagues can be minor leagues for talent development.

I don't think introducing b-teams would stop that though.

Ideally Man United B etc wouldn't be concentrating on promotion but more in nurturing players to fit their A team. It won't be about winning, it'll be about playing against sides that are competing for promotion.

Any good player wouldn't be playing in those b-teams and would be either in the A team or loaned out to the championship, as is now.

Also, clubs stealing talent has been always happened.

 

[harris78]

The mad thing is that there is a correlation - since the Premier League was brought in, the % of English players amongst the top flight has decreased year on year, and the performance of the national team has got worse. The problem is that the FA do not think that a problem created and sustained by the Premier League should be dealt with at the Premier League level.

That is simply not true, there is no correlation between the amount of English players within the top league and the performance of the national side. Look at the 70's England were dire, early 80's not great. 1994 we didn't even qualify. The national team has to look at ways of inspiring these millionaires to play the way they do at club level, as they are all good enough to do better than what they are. A perfect example is Rooney, when was the last time he had a good game for England and why is that? We need a manager and coaches who can inspire rather than being insipid yes men to the gentlemens club that is the FA.

What is the point in say in ten years time of having a pool of 70 players to choose from for the national team but nearly all of them bing mediocre?? But hey that doesn't matter as they have experience of playing in the Premier league. I'd rather England have 25-30 players all of whom are capable of performing at a high level. Getting rid of these foreigners to let the English lads have a go sounds like something out of Nigel Farages manifesto. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the young English lads are good enough they will make it, regardless of how many foreign players are here.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

What is the point in say in ten years time of having a pool of 70 players to choose from for the national team but nearly all of them bing mediocre?? But hey that doesn't matter as they have experience of playing in the Premier league. I'd rather England have 25-30 players all of whom are capable of performing at a high level. Getting rid of these foreigners to let the English lads have a go sounds like something out of Nigel Farages manifesto. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the young English lads are good enough they will make it, regardless of how many foreign players are here.

Thats way too simplistic though isn't it?

There's more chance of decent promising young English players developing into International quality if they get the opportunity to play regularly for their team in the Premier League.

Whereas if they get denied that opportunity because when they reach the stage they need to take the next step in their development (late teens) they find their path blocked because their team buy a couple of cheap foreign players they may well never develop their potential.

I don't actually care about the English national team but it ties into the same thing i used to criticise Moyes for over his use of youth : very few young players are ever actually good enough at that age, the majority need to develop and grow into quality players, and that comes from being given the chance of playing games at a higher level as possible (other factors included too obviously).

And more foreign players in the English game means less chances for English kids coming through.

 

[harris78]

Thats way too simplistic though isn't it?

There's more chance of decent promising young English players developing into International quality if they get the opportunity to play regularly for their team in the Premier League.

Whereas if they get denied that opportunity because when they reach the stage they need to take the next step in their development (late teens) they find their path blocked because their team buy a couple of cheap foreign players they may well never develop their potential.

I don't actually care about the English national team but it ties into the same thing i used to criticise Moyes for over his use of youth : very few young players are ever actually good enough at that age, the majority need to develop and grow into quality players, and that comes from being given the chance of playing games at a higher level as possible (other factors included too obviously).

And more foreign players in the English game means less chances for English kids coming through.

But its not too simplistic though really. The fundamentals are always the same. If people are good enough at something they will usually rise to the top of their profession. The basics of being able to pass a ball, take players on etc has little to do with whether they are playing regularly at a Premier league team. The real issue with the English National team etc is a lot more deep rooted than simply saying Johnny Foreigner is not letting our lads get a game. I recall when this issue raised its head when France were top of the tree in world football. The FA simply looked at what they thought worked for France at the time, which was their centre of excellence Clairefontaine and lo and behold a few years later we have St Georges Park. The only problem with this is, to be honest France are just as good as what we are now, no better, no worse. It has not really helped them and St Georges Park is not going to make much of a difference to us. Now look whats happened this time, Spanish football is what everybody raves about so the FA decide to setup B Teams just like in Spain. Its the same old crap. The FA needs a massive overhaul and to get the archaic people running it out of the system. They need to make coaching badges more accessible to the everyday man who are teaching school kids on a Sunday, instead of trying to charge well over GBP200.00 to do them. There are so many issues that they have not even addressed which annoys me. Instead they look at other parts of teh world and think 'Hey we will give that a go this time'

Vault me if you like, but in another ten years time we will be in exactly the same place.

 

[rascal]

It costs £2,500- £3,000 for a UEFA licence course in the UK and less than £750 in Italy, Spain and Germany.

FA should take a look at themselves ffs.

 

[ijjysmith]

Still a stupid idea.

 

[Bobby P]

Good players rise to the top no matter what. England had a "golden generation", they just didn't capitalize on it.

 

[ilikecheese]

No, just no.

It's a rich get richer idea with no thought of the overall health of the league.

Limiting the number of professional contracts any single club can have is really the key in my opinion...not allowing B clubs.