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1966efc

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I was a little kid in the 50's and sitting on a bed listiening to his Lordship talk about his life and his loves (whiskey, Everton, me grandma).

He was a proud man who resented being forced to pack in among a crowd being selected for work on the docks.

(One of his memories is of Liverpool F C providing a guard of honour at Lime Street on Everton's arrival back from winning the F A Cup in 1906. Anyone know anything different???)

So, anyone got nmemories of life on Scotty from the 20's / 50's?

Cheers
 

1966efc said:
I was a little kid in the 50's and sitting on a bed listiening to his Lordship talk about his life and his loves (whiskey, Everton, me grandma).

He was a proud man who resented being forced to pack in among a crowd being selected for work on the docks.

(One of his memories is of Liverpool F C providing a guard of honour at Lime Street on Everton's arrival back from winning the F A Cup in 1906. Anyone know anything different???)

So, anyone got nmemories of life on Scotty from the 20's / 50's?

Cheers
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Sounds like my Grandfather!

Interesting, the story about Liverpool providing a guard of honour.

The Daily Post and Mercury reported:

April 24, 1906.

EVERTON'S RETURN TO LIVERPOOL

ENTHUSIATIC RECEPTION

THE LORD MAYOR AND THE TRIUMPH.

Seldom has there been a scene of more fervid enthusiasm in Liverpool than was last evening witnessed when the victors of the English Cup fight arrived at the Central Railway Station. Raleigh street. The announcement in last evening's “Liverpool Echo” was the means of acquainting the public with the hour at which the team would arrive at the station from Sheffield namely, twenty minutes past eight o'clock. Informed in this manner, the citizens turned out in their thousands to greet them from all parts of the City. All the thoroughfares, which converged towards the Central Station, had their streams of people bent upon extending welcome and congratulation to the Evertonian.

Rightly, gauging the temperament of the community in connection with the triumph of the Everton team, the police had made elaborate arrangement to prevent anything in the way of panicky crushes in the thoroughfares environing the station. The temporary barriers requisitioned chiefly on the occasion of Royal visits, had been brought into use, and served a capital purpose in enabling the police to regulate the crowds, and the vehicular traffic which was necessarily maintained up to a short time before the Sheffield train arrived. Thousands of people pressed around the station, eager and buoyant in their desire to do honour to the conquering team. The blue rosette the “favours” of the Everton supporters were seen on countless breasts, female as well as male, and from not a few business establishments there were suspended streamers of flags. Everywhere there were visible tokens of rejoicing, and on all hands were heart murnurings of intense satisfaction at the issue of the memorable Crystal football struggle.

Within then station very adequate efforts had been made to permit of the arrival of the team being fittingly greeted by the directors, officials, and friends of the club. Superintendent Ramage (head of the Cheshire Lines Railway Police) and Inspector J.Hogg had charge of the station. Mr. F.O. Lloyd represented Mr. Pinion the manager, who was absent in London. A number of privileged persons were allowed on the platform, which otherwise had been especially reserved to facilitate the reception of the Cupholders. The Lord Mayor who as soon as he heard of the victory of the Everton team expressed a desire to meet them at the earliest possible opportunity, for the purpose of offering them the congratulation of the city, was on the platform when the train only due in at 8-20, steamed up at 8-12 amid the unrestrained applause of all in the station.

As soon as the train came to a standstill, the players slighted, headed by Taylor, the captain, who bore the cup in the right hand. Amongst others on the platform to receive the players besides the Lord Mayor, were the following directors of the Everton Club: - Dr.Baxter, Dr. Whitford, and Messrs W. R. Clayton, J. Davies, G. Mahon (Chairman), E. A. Bainbridge, D.Kirkwood, A. Wade, B. Kelly, and H.Wright, with the secretary (Mr. Cuff). The following directors represented the Liverpool Club: - Messrs, Edwin Berry (Chairman). J.McKenna, (Vice Charman), J. Asbury, W. C. Briggs, and. J. Fair, with the secretary (Mr. Tom Watson). "
 
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"SCENE AT GOODISON PARK.

The scene at Goodison Park was one of unbounded enthusiasm. Before eight o'clock, a large crowds gathered in the vicinity of the ground to which they were admitted as the time for the victorious team to arrive approached. There was in the gathering a large number of juvenile football devotes whose pop up enthusiasm found a vent in improving words appropriate to the occasion to snatches of old-time popular songs. As the brakes containing the men drove up, perceived by the escorts of mounted police , the songs became a mighty cheer. Jack Taylor the sub captain, who, in the absence of the captain, directed the game on Saturday, showing the cup to the delighted crowd.

Subsequently the men appeared on the director's stand, which was illuminated by five torches, and this was the signal for a renewed outburst of cheering. A number of the directors were present, which included Mr. Mahon, Mr. W. R. Clayton, and Dr. Whitford. When the enthusiasm of the crowd had subdued to a degree sufficient to enable the proceedings on the stand to be heard. Mr. Clayton addressed the gathering, expressing his pleasure at the reception, which had been accorded them. Such a demonstration, he said spoke volumes for the interest taken by the people of the city in sports. Referring to great match, he said although there was no cocksureness about their men, there had been grim determination, and plenty of it, and they had obtained to what they had set out to accomplish. Mr. Clayton's speech was punctuated by tremendous applause, and at its conclusion the crowd- clamoured for “ Jack Taylor” but the latter having completely lost his voice thus indulgence was denied. The crowd was then left to disperse of its own accord, while the directors and others who had travelled with the men partook of light refreshments inside the offices of the club.

In Goodison road, the crowd lingered to catch a glimpse of the herons, of the moment, but stern in junction to “ Move on “ were soon given by the police, and a very few minutes sufficed for the mounted, men to clear the street. The people then scattered in all directions slowly, but good humouredly satisfied at having assisted in the most remarkable popular demonstration that had ever taken place within the city boundaries. "
 
1966efc said:
I was a little kid in the 50's and sitting on a bed listiening to his Lordship talk about his life and his loves (whiskey, Everton, me grandma).

He was a proud man who resented being forced to pack in among a crowd being selected for work on the docks.

(One of his memories is of Liverpool F C providing a guard of honour at Lime Street on Everton's arrival back from winning the F A Cup in 1906. Anyone know anything different???)

So, anyone got nmemories of life on Scotty from the 20's / 50's?

Cheers
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This is one of the worst aspects of the then Labour market, I was truly surprised when you mentioned this. I was aware of it as well, in fact it had not been "outlawed that long ago. Heaven help the poor man who was not selected for work that day. Something the young folk now a days know nothing of with regards to this item of Liverpool history.

My Uncle Tom worked on the docks but he was an engineer on a tug.
 
No one these days brings up history like this where people were shot and people now probably are in ignorance of this history.

1910-1914 - The Great Unrest: A wave of strikes including miners, railwaymen, dockers and others across the country, often as unofficial sympathy action. Including the 1911 Liverpool General Transport Strike: The working class in Liverpool brings the country to its knees. A warship sails up the Mersey, the army is on the streets (though Liverpool regiments are confined to barracks as the government doesn't trust their loyalties) and running battles are fought with the police through the summer.

The “general strike” was actually a series of separate disputes which started with a seaman's strike and soon escalated in a wave. As each group of striking workers won their battles, they vowed to stay out until others had won. This show of solidarity saw the reinstatement of the railwaymen who had been sacked for joining in the action. It also terrified the ruling class, and it is often said that this was the closest Britain has ever come to revolution.

What we mustn't forget is that this struggle was defined by the rank-and-file. The city's labour movement had a strong anarcho-syndicalist current, whilst the ship workers had been heavily influenced by the radical IWW. The government ultimately called in national union leaders to negotiate an end to the strike, but the dispute occurred entirely beyond their control.
 

Toffeelover said:
This is one of the worst aspects of the then Labour market, I was truly surprised when you mentioned this. I was aware of it as well, in fact it had not been "outlawed that long ago. Heaven help the poor man who was not selected for work that day. Something the young folk now a days know nothing of with regards to this item of Liverpool history.

My Uncle Tom worked on the docks but he was an engineer on a tug.
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How far we've progressed as a country in the last 100 odd years..


It's now called Zero hours contracts I believe.
 
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I have been trying to find the name that was given to the dockers when they turned to be selected for work, I just cannot recall it now but it was not nice.
 

Eggs said:
...seem to recall the phrase 'pool' being used and have a memory that it was Mann Island that the men would turn up to be select.
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Yes, have heard that one too. Also "bomping" which was the noise of the stamp on the work sheet.
 
I've been told that Scotland Road was once considered a sectarian boundary, in which Catholics lived one side and Protestants lived on the other, and that there was a fair bit of sectarian violence in Liverpool at the turn of the 20th century. Is there any truth to this? I know the sectarian violence took place, but what about this Scotland Road boundary thing, is that true?
 

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